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Norse wrote:All credit to Sandy and Seagull.
NOTE: The name of this kid should be Schiantarelli.

I think this is the thread: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... 707#p11707

That's the one - yes.

As a side remark, it would appear that both addresses mentioned in the thread (one on Washington, the other on Maple) are the same building, namely the infamous Hunter house (it's a big house).

Could be mistaken about that, but as far as I can tell 222 Maple is identical to the address on Washington as far as the building is concerned.

It may be that the main residence has the Wash. address, whereas an appartment (the servants' quarters, as it were) has the Maple address. Schiantarelli (the kid's father) was a gardner who worked for Mrs. Augsbury (the owner of the place).

This may be covered in the thread above, so apologies if that is the case (I don't have time to read the whole thing now). It's not a major point in this particular context anyway, but it may have some relevance if we're talking about where the (potential) witness would have been when he made the (potential) observation.

Victor Schiantarelli listed here http://www.sfgenealogy.com/san_francisc ... 1_2303.pdf at 3799.

UKSpycatcher wrote:Victor Schiantarelli listed here http://www.sfgenealogy.com/san_francisc ... 1_2303.pdf at 3799.

Victor Schiantarelli was the Gardener for the previous the owner of that house, who passed away. (She apparently let his family move in.)
Victor's family was who was actually living there and not Robert Hunter who Harry Martin claimed as being there on Oct 11th 1969.

What I found interesting about that family, was that Victor's brother was living on Maple at that time. Ed N and I found that bit of information about 1995 when checking out Harry Martin's idea about Robert Hunter.
Hunter was on Lyon st at that time.

Notice that the number to the home matched the phone number 3799, which had to still be in the previous owners name.

What happened to that new detective assigned to the Zodiac case, that joined this site about a year ago, has he vanished or can he follow through on this lead.

The cold cases, like the Zodiac case, take a back seat to the current cases. The detective that joined the forum is from Vallejo PD and he not only investigates murders, he also investigates major crimes. Vallejo has a high crime rate and less than a week ago they had their 10th murder of the year which does not include the kidnapped, missing and presumed dead Pearl Pinson.

There is a Vallejo Homicide Watch FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/vallejohomicidewatch/

Vallejo has a much higher than average crime rate when compared to California's average.

http://vallejohomicidewatch.weebly.com/ ... -2000.html

The department is understaffed and underpaid.

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A few observations: The page mentioning Anthony is actually page two of a doc that transmitted a request that the FBI check out the fingerprints of five different individuals. This is not a doc that is like an "emergency rush" on just Mr. Anthony, as if he were "the" hot suspect, and in fact Anthony's is the final name in the request. So even within this document he is not given any priority. Second, I am surmising that the kid did not know the guy's middle name. This suggests that SFPD, which is mentioned in the report as the source of the info on Anthony, must have lifted a finger to do at least SOME research on him, like pulling his DL, etc. Given the status of the fingerprint evidence as we know it today and also the fact that the prints that most interested SFPD were NOT to be found on a standard fingerprint card, I hope this was not the full extent of the steps SFPD took to clear him.

I feel that the fact that only the 8 year-old is mentioned in the report suggests that he may not have been the kid at 3898. Unless they left him "home alone" that night, one would think that the first thing this frightened child would have done is to run for his parents and get them to the window. If so, where is their report or sketch? We've never heard word one about anyone other than "young kids" at 3899 being the witnesses. I therefore leave open the possibility that if he was the kid from 3898, he may have been at the Robbins' house for some reason that night. Maybe they regularly babysat him on a Saturday night? Maybe his parents went to the Belgian Embassy, as did Dr. and Mrs. Robbins, that night. Just thinking out loud here.

As with any other seemingly viable suspect who threatens my own research into a "different" PH resident, who lived much closer to the action than did Mr. Anthony and who was never investigated despite being spoken to by an SFPD officer that night, I am going to poke around into Mr. Anthony's background to see what I can dig up. The reason is simple: I do not want to leave any unturned stones. I did this with Mr. Stewart's theory and his handwriting and fingerprint evidence, which were found to be severely lacking in credibility. I've called upon some of my sources in SF and will ask them if they have anything to contribute. If we could establish that this man has black hair, that would be enough for me. But if SFPD was literally handed this guy on the night of the Stine murder by an 8 year-old (no less!) and let him slip through the cracks, this will be the ultimate embarrassment for them. My guess is that Anthony was one of the litany of suspects from that era who was investigated and "cleared." But to what extent he was cleared and how it was accomplished, I do not know.

Mike

mike_r wrote:
Maybe they regularly babysat him on a Saturday night? Maybe his parents went to the Belgian Embassy, as did Dr. and Mrs. Robbins, that night. Just thinking out loud here.

Was thinking that too.

When Pelissetti arrives at the scene, the only persons out and about (so to speak) are the Robbins kids - whom he ushers back inside, etc. No adults/parents mentioned. If the 8 year old is indeed the kid at 3898, then the above strongly indicates that his parents weren't home either.

Zodiac was someone who loved to see his name in the newspapers. The wealthy dog walker fits that model, as there are many articles about him and he has many Internet hits with PT Barnum like stunts--flying saucers, cars driving under other vehicles to show how sporty they were, paying outrageous sums for questionable race horses, writing an autobiography, etc. The "other" Mr. "X" barely has any Internet hits at all. He flew well beneath the radar. Seemed to shun publicity.

Pondering this, I'm reminded of the rumor about someone being picked up by the police and brought to the crime scene for identification: According to the most common version, this person was determined not to be the killer by one of the kids.

If that story is true, it would seem unlikely that the incident in question is related to the business with Anthony and the 8 year old witness – but who knows: I've always considered it one of those “too detailed and not sensational enough to be dismissed” rumors in the Z case. But then again, I've never seen anything resembling a confirmation that it actually happened.

However, just to speculate a bit (but within reason, I think):

Let's say that the 8 year old was indeed with the Robbins kids that night. They all see the killer, and the 8 year old recognizes him (or thinks he does). After things have calmed down a bit and the officers in charge have arrived, the police learn about the 8 year old's claim – and they head over to Anthony's place (on Jackson St, as we now know) to pick him up. He's brought to the scene but the older kids say “no, wrong guy.”

When it becomes clear that Zodiac is responsible for the murder, the SFPD still think it prudent to have the man's prints checked and so forth – and there you have it: He ends up in the FBI files, so to speak.

Possible? It all depends – of course – on whether this “identification on the scene” story is actually true. Could be a sheer myth for all I know. But it – sort of – jibes with the idea that the 8 year old was with the Robbins kids, at least. Because if he was, it seems very likely that the cops would have learned about Anthony that night – and if so, why wait? No reason why they would not have headed over to his place in order to verify the kid's claim straight away.