More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

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More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby morf13 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:36 am

More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby PinkPhantom » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:32 am

Maybe. I tend to think the prints that wernt bloody aren't from Z and just everyday customers. Sure hope they checked them out anyhow though and didn't write them off entirely. man I can only imagine how many prints were all over that cab from everyday fares. It probably would only prove he was a passenger in the cab, but it would not prove he was the murderer. Unless the print is in blood.

Still wouldn't PROVE without a reasonable doubt that a bloody print was Zodiacs. The EMTs could have left it or one of the many ppl who showed up on scene after the crime. Or as some have suggested the print could have been a plant.

I doubt that print is still viable if they attempted to collect it. Maybe they were able to keep a picture of the print, but I mean jeez half of the ink prints they took back in those days are toast by now. Can't imagine the bloody prints would fare any better.

You have to remember the Zodiac isn't the only case file warehoused at SFPD. They have handled hundred of cases before and since the Zodiac. California isn't just the Zodiac Killer. There were many nasty psychopaths here in the 70's. the Zodiac wasn't the only crime that received priority, but it was one of the crimes that the press made famous in the public domain.

At any rate I don't think the prints, especially these days, would mean a lick of a difference in proving one of those many prints belonged to the killer. Too many variables at play. The cab was compromised from the start bc it was available to anyone. It wasn't a crime scene that was clean from the start with the ability to find foreign prints among organic prints from the victim and their known connections. Jmo.
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby Norse » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:45 am

PinkPhantom wrote:Maybe. I tend to think the prints that wernt bloody aren't from Z and just everyday customers. Sure hope they checked them out anyhow though and didn't write them off entirely. man I can only imagine how many prints were all over that cab from everyday fares. It probably would only prove he was a passenger in the cab, but it would not prove he was the murderer. Unless the print is in blood.


There were lots of prints according to Insp. Armstrong. As in: Lots of prints which in all likelihood were left by regular customers (which it would have been very hard to check).

But the story goes as such: There were prints the SFPD were "confident" about. Why? Because they were "bloody", in the sense that there was blood residue "under" them rather than "over" them, meaning they had to have been left there after the blood got on the surface.
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby PinkPhantom » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:47 am

Yes Norse we said the same thing in two different ways. I agree with you.
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby morf13 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:50 am

The Bloody Prints definitely belong to Z,or cop/EMT,etc
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby PinkPhantom » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:55 am

Yup the angle of a cop/EMT possibly leaving the bloody print from Stine has always concerned me... I mean why would Z seem to be wiping off the side of the car and miss that obvious bloody print? I doubt it is his.
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby Norse » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:21 am

It wasn't necessarily an obvious print.

The one they were confident about was not, in my opinion, the very obvious "smear" which Pelissetti observed and has talked about.

Unless the SFPD were shockingly incompetent, the "confident" print clearly does not belong to a cop or a medic. If they weren't able to rule THAT out, we might as well discard every bit of evidence in the case.
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby masootz » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:37 am

i'm sure zodiac wiped off the prints that were obvious to him but that doesn't mean he wiped off all of his prints. i was listening to a crime podcast the other day and a police officer mentioned they always dust the back side of the rear view mirror in crimes where the perp likely drove the car. this is because almost everyone thinks to wipe down the steering wheel, door handle, etc but almost no one thinks about the rear view mirror (the adjustment of which is like muscle memory to anyone who has been driving long).
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby sandy betts » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:51 pm

The EMT's and anyone else that were at the crime scene, were all checked against the prints found in the cab. And none of them matched the prints believed to be Zodiac's.
What I would like to know is were those prints compared to the ones that Napa got from the phone booth ?
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Re: More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

Postby Norse » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:09 am

sandy betts wrote:What I would like to know is were those prints compared to the ones that Napa got from the phone booth ?


Most of the Napa prints would have been useless, I think. And AFAIK the suspected Z print would have been technically incomparable to the SF prints anyway.
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