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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:10 pm
by entropy
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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:17 pm
by Seagull
Wow! That's a familiar looking skeleton in the collage. Do you know what year this was done?

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:23 pm
by entropy
It pre-dates the Halloween card and any Z activity. 1960, I believe.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:45 pm
by entropy
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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:30 am
by jamesmsv
That skeleton is quite startling. As is the 13 holes in the Eye picture. reminiscent not only of the 13-hole postcard but also the 13 letter cipher. This POI is starting to rise up the ranks of probability imo. He is also a fairly good match for the Stine sketch.
I was googling some of his other works and........ you know how we were looking for crosses in circles earlier in the thread? I'm sure Entropy's probably found this already but for everyone else:
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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:22 pm
by entropy
Thanks for the vote of confidence, james. Yep, that's on my list and thank you for not posting anything overtly identifiable. What I find interesting in this person's frequent use of the cross/circle symbol is that it all pre-dates Z's activities and, like Z, he uses it in a multitude of contexts. It's used as a film leader, gunsight (in movies about the Kennedy assassination), dream catcher, mandala, lightbulb filament etc.

Here's one without any overt Z connection but one I find interesting and one of many that intermingles violence and female sexuality (the nail driven into the buttocks is a nice touch...). It's a representation of the infamous 1947 Black Dahlia murder case:

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Here's how he describes it in a 1973 interview:

Interviewer: "Well there are a lot of things I don't know about you."

(This guy): "I have a lot of stories to tell."

Interviewer: "About the world. You mean people."

(This guy): "No, it's another art form. I might project or assume the character of a personality. Like the person that's producing this is the Black Dahlia, and it's also the person that killed the Black Dahlia. Instead of being individual actors before me, I'm using objects and characters that aren't defined as separate performing characters. Mental attitudes. The relationship of victim to assassin. Positive to negative. But they're both lovers. I mean, the Black Dahlia is loose within the structure of the attack of the man who had destroyed her. It's all basically love or passion that's been distorted and altered. Changed because of social or cultural imposition. But what I would get back from the culture of this society would be hate. Which, you know, isn't it at all..."

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:35 pm
by entropy
Here's another collage/self-portrait that I found rather disturbing when I discovered it at the UC Berkeley Bancroft Library... I feel OK posting it since this individual has already helped me to shield his identity. I obscured the child's name written on this side.

It is a photo of the individual pasted onto the back of a photo of his only child as a young child and artfully obscured. I am not sure of the date and wish I had paid more attention to his child's age in the photo but the child was born in 1963, dating the reverse photo to sometime in the mid to late '60s. This individual has often refused to be photographed and there are simply no pictures to be found of him during his social withdrawal period from 1967-1971. It appears to me to be a "selfie" but I have no idea of the context on the photo.

Interestingly enough, the curator at the UC Berkeley Library told me that he had met the individual when he was invited to pick up the items for this collection at his home. The first thing he told me about his visit was that "I wasn't scared of him", which I thought was odd but was probably due to the individual's reputation for being difficult and demanding to work with.

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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:03 am
by entropy
Here's another nifty assemblage/sculpture creation... If it's too graphic, moderators can delete the image or I can blur it.

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It's obviously a dismembered child in a highchair but it apparently is supposed to represent the electric chair execution of child killer, Caryl Chessman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryl_Chessman

Of interest, Herb Caen actually commented on this work in one of his articles, calling it "ghoulish" or something along those lines. This individual discussed his dislike for Caen in interviews. He accuses Caen of taking the term "beatnik", which he is generally credited with coining, from another person.

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/art ... 018725.php

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:35 am
by ggluckman
Removed pending audio upload.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:23 pm
by entropy
Hi G... I really appreciate the contribution and voice is certainly relevant (although I'm not sure how we would even evaluate it since Nancy Slover is gone). I'm a bit uncomfortable having the name out there, however. Perhaps that's not realistic after all of the stuff I've posted but I'd prefer that it at least require a little work to determine. I sent traveller a couple of voice samples from 1966 to see if just an audio sample could be posted instead. If anyone else knows how to do that, I'll send them the links. The one you posted is cool but he was in his early 70s at the time and quite ill so it's not totally representative of his voice. I do appreciate the help though. :)