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Sorry to bring things back to Washington and Cherry ( ) but.....
The folded dollar bill with the 'B' - I'm not from the US so Google may have warped my impression, but it looks to me like that most likely means that's a $1 Bill, is that correct? And it looks like George Washington is the president depicted on a $1 bill.
I only raise this because it seems like the $100 bill would have been a lot of cash to carry around in 1990s, maybe even today, so seems like a statement? And I would have thought they are like the £50 notes in England - pretty rare for someone to have on them even if their total cash amount is in 3 figures? So why the $100 bill?
There's the famous story of Washington and the Cherry tree of course, but that excludes the $100 bill from the clue (unless Franklin had anything to do with that tale, or something to do with a Maple tree in any way?).

Hmm... I wouldn't say $100 bills were uncommon, even twenty years ago. Probably depends on the crowd you're hanging with. I am a bit surprised this guy would be carrying around a $100 bill because he was never wealthy but I'm not sure there's any message conveyed. The B on what appears to be a $1 bill represents the location it was minted, New York for the dollar bill and Kansas City for the $100 bill. Again, not sure there's an message. I never thought of the intersection of Washington & Cherry Sts. If Stine was killed "by axe" then we'd have something to ponder, eh?

Perhaps you can tell me if I'm imagining a similar subtle cross in this creation as well?



At risk of being identifying, it is entitled "Bombhead", which is also a name of one of my person of interest's alter personae. I've run across at least six or seven named alters (again... real or consciously created), most of which have produced their own style of artwork by their own names. In interviews, he seems genuinely convinced that these personae are separate individuals:

"These are associates of mine. They are not personae. They are true entities."

Weird dude...

Do you mean on the shoulder button? It looks like a quandrant to me, so I suppose that could be part of a cross pattern but I can't really see any more than a 12-3 o'clock section.
On a lighter note I think this is a much better work of art than his other offering....

jamesmsv wrote:Do you mean on the shoulder button? It looks like a quandrant to me, so I suppose that could be part of a cross pattern but I can't really see any more than a 12-3 o'clock section.
On a lighter note I think this is a much better work of art than his other offering....

Nah, I'm seeing a subtle cross in the mushroom cloud above the collar. I'm not suggesting it's necessarily relevant other than comparing to the possible "hidden" cross in the other work. I agree- I'd totally hang Bombhead on my wall. Hospital Souvenirs? Not so much...

I know it's been discussed but this has really made me think that there are really only two items that would have any relevance if discovered today. Stine's driver's license and what remains of his shirt (even that could be easily overlooked). Everything else such as the keys, other wallet items and maybe glasses probably couldn't even be identified if they were presented as evidence tomorrow, could they?

I apologize in advance for not being able to leave this alone. I was unsure about traveller's suggestion that the cylindrical object between the glasses and the dime might be a bullet. In looking at the object on my iphone screen, however, there is clearly a pointy tip above the cylinder protruding above the frame of the glasses but mostly hidden behind the lens of the glasses. I honestly think that there is little question that this object appears to be a bullet. I'd appreciate if someone could try to enhance that small portion.

To test that theory, I figured I'd take a look at the size of the object, which was pretty easy since it is situated right next to the one object that is closest to its dimensions and whose dimensions are known (the dime). I actually have to wonder if this wasn't a purposeful inclusion in this collage. As it turns out, the diameter of the cylindrical object is exactly half that of the adjacent dime. A U.S. dime has a diameter of 17.9 millimeters. I'm convinced that the object in question is a 9 mm bullet.

The collage initially freaked me out because of the money (contents of a wallet), glasses and keys displayed as a collage of "souvenirs" by someone in a hospital bed suffering from what was believed to be a terminal illness at the time. The fact that the individual now seems to be holding a hidden disk with a cross pattern and the inclusion of a 9 mm bullet (the caliber used by Z at BRS) honestly do nothing to ease my mind. These would seem to be odd items to have in your pocket while filming at a punk rock club, no?

Could be a casing if not a complete bullet? could be the stopper from a cigar tube. They don't let us have guns here, probably for the best lol, so I'm not the best person to be sure about gun related things.

I know nothing about guns or cigars but it's not a cigar tube stopper, trav, unless the cigars he was smoking were less than half the width of a dime. For some reason, perhaps because of the backlight illumination, the pointy tip above the cylinder is very clear on my iphone but not in your photo. That leads me to believe that is a whole bullet, exactly 9mm in diameter, obscured by the lens of the glasses.

Wow, this guy is pretty famous. Anywho, to me it looks like the shell casing of a .45 acp bullet. .45 cal is a pretty hefty sized bullet, especially for a pistol. .45's have a lot of stopping power. This type of ammo was standard for both the colt 1911 and the Thompson submarine gun. It's also used in the Mac 10 sub machine gun which was the favorite weapon of the cocaine cowboys back in the 80's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP

Like Trav I'm from the UK so have had quite limited access to ammo over the years. I've googled 'spent 9mm casings' and can come up with some similar but not exact matches. One consistent difference is that the one in this picture seems shorter than others I've seen, also the bevelled edge at the bottom (which I assume is the end the bullet was fitted to) is more pronounced than in the examples I've found.
Can anyone who knows guns & ammo (hey, that sounds like a great name for a magazine..) give an opinion on this?
If it is indeed a casing then it's pretty damn weird - although my dad had a cigarette lighter made from an WW2 .302 casing so I suppose it could be a converted trinket of some kind.

It's not a .45, phil, whether or not it's just the casing and not that it really matters. Comparing it with the dime, it is 9 mm in diameter.

Yes, this guy is easily identifiable as he is becoming more well-known in the art world, particularly after his death. He's really a brilliant artist despite our reviews of "Hospital Souvenirs". A lot of folks tend to dismiss him on that fact alone but the guy was practically invisible in the late 1960s. After running for San Francisco City Supervisor in 1967, he completely withdrew from friends and society until around 1971. He was flat broke, depressed and desperate by his own account at the end of the 1960s, working menial jobs and struggling to control his multiple personalities. In 1972, he declared himself deceased.

I honestly didn't plan to say this much here but I would ask that no one share anything identifying.