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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:07 am
by pittsburgh_phil
There was a theory bandied about that Zodiac shot Stine at Washington and Maple and he had to fight Stine's corpse to stop the car. If this is the case he might of turned of the ignition and may have taken the keys because they had his pingerprints on them. This is speculation on my part, but it would makes sense as to why he took the keys.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:43 am
by entropy
I'll go ahead and share the item that freaked me out the other day (and still does a bit)...

A few of you know of my long-time person of interest. He was a fairly well-known collage/assemblage artist and short filmmaker in San Francisco and died in 2008. In the late 1960s, however, he was virtually penniless, had given up his art career, withdrawn from friends and was working menial jobs as a movie theater attendant and selling beads on the street in Haight Ashbury. He reports struggling to control his real or perceived multiple personalities at the time.

In 2010, I had the opportunity to visit SF for the first time and visited a gallery which housed a lot of his works (ironically on Geary St., two blocks from Mason and Geary). I signed up for the gallery's mailing list for announcements of new exhibits etc. and have periodically received emails, which occasionally had previous unseen works from my person of interest.

The other day's email included a few works from 1992 which I had never seen. This was at a time when my POI was suffering from a severe congenital liver disorder and did not expect to have long to live. It is a collage entitled "Hospital Souvenirs" and shows him in a hospital bed with an IV along with an assortment of personal items. I blurred the identifying hospital band.

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I'm not pushing a person of interest on anyone here, just offering the reason for my interest here for any feedback. I emailed the gallery and received a reply that it was recently received from the individual's estate and already sold. They explained that it is a collage that is supposed to represent the items that he had in his pocket at the time he was hospitalized after breaking his foot while photographing the punk rock scene at Mahubay Gardens in SF. The term "souvenirs" struck me odd as did the need for a collage to memorialized the items in your pocket during a hospitalization for a broken foot.

Thoughts?

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:41 am
by Tahoe27
Bizarre....and it is creepy considering.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:31 am
by jamesmsv
It also looks like he might be clutching something in the right hand palm, deliberately hidden in the shadow. Certainly a bit weird, and I'm no art critic but I'd say it's a pretty bland piece unless of course the images have some very strong emotional meaning for the artist. It's easy to get carried away with interpretations but I also found the perpendicular arms to be odd - could they allude to Washington/Cherry?

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:22 pm
by entropy
My guess is that he just needed Cherry St. to hold up his IV tube, james. ;)

My amigo, traveler, was able to help confirm that the $100 bill is from the early 1980s (based on the signature of the treasurer) so the bill at least is consistent with the reported 1992 date of the work. Enhancing a bit seems to show something round in his hand like a ball but I can't tell what it is.

The collage is certainly open to interpretation. He's a strange dude so interpretations aren't always too easy. It may have nothing to do with this topic but I will say that nothing in his artwork is ever there by accident.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:49 pm
by traveller1st
Whatever he's holding in his hand, AFAICT it's a disk. There MIGHT, and I say MIGHT be some sort of cross design on it. I've considered the colouring and believe it's consistent with areas on the white pad on the underside of the copier's lid. Areas that would be consistent with dents, wrinkles etc basically a physical element that produces shadows. So there's a chance that there is a cross design there, something anyway that's causing, what I think, is a shadow.

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I'm also not unconvinced that, that's not a bullet at the bottom between the glasses and the coin. I don't know. There's plenty can be read into the composition in regards Zodiac allusions. Stine being one but Berryessa is also there with the sunglasses, keys, money even the comb as these were elements in that crime even down to what was reported in the papers re his hair. The ring for LHR. If it is a bullet then maybe that's BRS. Or the 'B' on the billfold is arranged to represent 'B'RS. Even the IV tube with it's "life draining into an uncertain death". Ahhh art, does it ever stop giving? lol.

The 'disc' thing in his hand would most likely be a hospital object? Something with a cross design, maybe even in a circle, denoting 'medical'?

EDIT: Hypothetically if it is a disc with a cross symbol, and, as Ent says, nothing in his collages is accidental, then the Zodiac interpretation of that could be. The Button Badge that never was, at least not during his 'time'.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:12 pm
by Seagull
When I have had blood taken they usually give you something squishable to grip to make the vein swell a bit and easier to find. So yeah, what ever it is that he is holding is probably belongs to the hospital.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:53 pm
by entropy
Weird, Seagull. I was kind of seeing a ball as well but he's not having blood taken, he has an IV in his arm. Your enhanced pic immediately reminded me of this image, the DVD compilation of several of his short films. The bottom image appears in several films as film leader and to represent a gunsight in his film about the JFK assassination. Stop stoking my pareidolia! :lol:

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Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:11 pm
by jamesmsv
entropy wrote:My guess is that he just needed Cherry St. to hold up his IV tube, james. ;)


yeah - I know it was a stretch! But there's something odd about his arm positions nonetheless, I know it's a posed piece of art but it still doesn't ring right.

On another aspect, I took a look at the keys in relation to the 1990 xerox, here's the results, obviously not a complete match but close enough to be a possible allusion.

Trav - I had tried to convince myself that I couldn't see a cross in his palm, that it was just me wanting to see something like that - then I read your comments so I'm glad I wasn't the only one to see that cross.

Re: Stine's belongings

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:10 pm
by entropy
Nice comparison, James. I thought of the 1990 card as well but I have real reservations about its authenticity. It IS clear that the keys aren't the same as those in the 1990 card, which is good to determine.

I've been corresponding with a friend of my person of interest who kept up written communication with him until his death and writes about receiving "handwritten notes about astrology that made no sense" among other items. He appears to have saved a lot of the communications so I'm trying to figure out a way to politely ask him to share these with me. 8-)