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[Tahoe27]

There is no way anyone can convince me....

So no matter how much evidence, logic and facts anyone throws at you, you can never be convinced? That one small sentence says a lot about you and why you insist on derailing any sort of discussion with your constant opinion that you don't believe in this and that.

It reminds me of this clip: (1:18 in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Because I don't agree with you I am derailing the discussion? Please...

What you state does not prove Graysmith was the faker, just as what I state doesn't prove it was Maupin.

I was talking to Tom Voigt (however you feel about him he has more knowledge and direct contact with host people involved with this case) and asked him his thoughts on Graysmith's role at the Chronicle.

I was told Graysmith didn't take the pics of the letters that were published, they were police/FBI photos. The letters arrived in the mail room, they were to "the editor" so they were opened and read to see if they were worthy of being published, and once they were recognized as being part of a crime, the police were called and took it from there.

He also mentioned Graysmith having photos he claimed were "collection of the author"...one of those being Allen's DMV photo. Let's not give Graysmith a bigger role there than what he had. Is his name ever mentioned once in all those old newspaper articles?

And I don't know what you are implying from that video clip...I am the exact opposite of a conspiracy theorist.

[Paul_Averly]

I was told Graysmith didn't take the pics of the letters that were published, they were police/FBI photos. The letters arrived in the mail room, they were to "the editor" so they were opened and read to see if they were worthy of being published, and once they were recognized as being part of a crime, the police were called and took it from there.

Then how did the pictures of the letters get in the paper? Did they have Adobe Photoshop in 1969? Everything that was not typeface needed to be photographed and the negative was used for printing, there was even more than that to it. That was Graysmiths Job, they had an entire department and he worked in it.

It's a good thing to be a skeptic. But if there is one person you should be very skeptical of, it's Tom V. He is notorious for making stuff up. And your not going to convince me otherwise!

[Seagull]

Paul_Averly do you have a source for Graysmith's job description? His being in charge of taking the pictures of the Zodiac letters is something I've never heard before. I know that the Chronicle had staff photographers, why wouldn't this be their job?

I have looked through dozens of issues of the Chronicle and have never once seen Graysmith being credited for a photo.

[Paul_Averly]

Staff photographers take photos of (the outside world).

Production, where RG worked, was in charge of using a photographic process (remember, before computers) to convert images to be printed. I'm not talking about taking photos like staff photographers, I'm talking about prepping images to be printed.

The 408 code was received the day before it was in the paper. Does he really think the police took the letter, the fbi took a picture of it, the Chron then borrowed that photo, took their own photo and it all took under a day? The tiniest bit of logic is able to dismiss Tom's latest lie.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh97 ... 7f4b45.jpg

BTW, a quick search reveals the worst source for this, but I heard it other places as well:

[Seagull]

Well, it seems to me that the staff photographers would be more qualified to photograph and develop pictures that were to run in the paper whether the pictures were taken in house or on the "street" than a cartoonist who may have also done some production work. Still waiting for your source.

Back in those days the photographers developed their own photos in the newspaper's dark room. They were experienced at getting the photos just right for publishing in the newspaper unlike today's digital processing that can be done on a computer.

[Tahoe27]

Paul_Averly do you have a source for Graysmith's job description? His being in charge of taking the pictures of the Zodiac letters is something I've never heard before. I know that the Chronicle had staff photographers, why wouldn't this be their job?

I have looked through dozens of issues of the Chronicle and have never once seen Graysmith being credited for a photo.

And no doubt Graysmith would have made everyone quite aware of his duties there. Graysmith's job was political cartoons. This is what he tells us.

The letters were shared with newspapers after law enforcement photographs them.

PA--what exactly has Tom made up?

[Seagull]

You must have edited your post as I was writing my reply. Your right, Thomas Horan is probably the worst person you could find for a source. Just hearing it other places doesn't count.

[Tahoe27]

The stuff comes in, they call the cops, the cops photograph it, check it for prints, etc., then decide if it will be shared with newspapers. Newspapers all over the country got their hands on these photos because the cops released them.

For example (bottom right): http://www.zodiackiller.com/DCHR.html

[Coffee Time]

Addressing RG's comments from YB only (my replies based on scans from this site and ZK.com):

"double postage" -- Double-posted 340 envelope appeared in the Chronicle.

"Inverted stamps" -- Belli envelope, 6 stamps rotated 90 degrees, the Chronicle.

"'Please Rush to Editor' with a downward slant" -- The slant is hardly a signature trait..."Please Rush to Editor" -- again, the 340 envelope.

"placed the odd punctuation colon after 'yours truly','" -- "yours trul(e)y:", Exorcist letter. Hardly a point in its favor that the author cribbed from a recent letter.

"used no punctuation after the salutation" -- The Times-Herald photo-reproduced the full letter they received, those letters all began with "Dear Editor" sans punctuation.

"put everyone else's name but his own in lowercase" -- Other than the unconfirmed Crackproof card with "attn: Paul avery," WTF is Graysmith talking about?

"The letter contained Zodiac's strange spacing between words and letters and used a style of d and three-stroke k used in 1969." Sorry, those small Ds look nothing like Z's to me, the droopy ones or the tidy ones. Has anyone ever located this "d" in an authentic Zodiac letter?

[Tahoe27]

The general public had access to the majority of every letter Zodiac ever wrote.

I don't think negatives were necessary back then. They ran simultaneously in newspapers. I believe there was another way of doing it.