The Murder Room by Michael Capuzzo

[themysterymachine]

Hey Mike R! It has definitely made me rethink alot of stuff about this case. I REALLY wish the Vidocq Society would do a full-scale overview. I know they have to have LE bring them the case- I bet George Bawart would be down to bring it to them. I mean, come on, this is the creme-de-la-creme of true crime cases.

And just to clarify, for the sake of argument, he said that the idea of Z as a pathetic loser was wrong, but not necessarily, that it was 100 percent solved. Just that it would be someone LIKE KJ.


But I am very impressed by the Stine/KJ connection. I am troubled that that seems to be the only solid connection. But thats for another thread.

[mike_r]

Hi-

Both the author and Walter were under many legal restraints in what they could say. I can tell you that in our private conversations, there is no doubt but that Mr. Walter is much less generic in who he feels Z was. He definitely had one "elderly man" in particular in mind in 2010...Don't rob me of his endorsement, LOL.

BTW, George Bawart would have to present the case to the Society via a seance. He died several years ago. Walter is the "go to" guy at the Society meetings. Everyone looks up to his opinion at the end, so I'm talking to the right guy to begin with. They referred me directly to him in 2004. SFPD possesses most of the interesting material for the case, especially the specifics of the DNA research that needs to be scrutinized in order to objectively determine the validity of the sample, so unless someone from that department approached the Society and presented the case, it wouldn't fly. BTW, don't hold your breath.

Mike

[duckking2001]

I think that's one thing we all can agree on: SFPD needs to give up the goods. Napa doesn't seem to think that a little transparency is a bad thing.

[pittsburgh_phil]

Just started the audiobook last night. So far so good.

[themysterymachine]

WOW, i had no idea George Bawart died. I expect Toschi will follow soon. He is in his late eighties now.

[mike_r]

Hi-

There are four different categories of killers in the profiling that Mr. Walter does: anger-retaliatory, anger-excitation, power-reassurance and power-assertive. The really interesting thing is that these profiles were adapted from rapist profiles: the four terms were originally used to describe sexual crimes.

I have followed the recent accusations against Bill Cosby with great interest because I feel that if you are wondering what type of person Z was, all you have to do is look at Cosby. I am certain that Cosby was a power-assertive rapist, just like Z was a power-assertive killer. These are people in a position of power. They are intoxicated with power and want more and more of it. They have power over other people. They rape/kill because they are able to do so. Because of the trappings of power, even when they are found out, it is difficult to accuse them because the perception is that they are beyond suspicion. That is what I have encountered in my research.

And these people have the resources and the attorneys to intimidate those who may wish to come forward and put facts before the public.

The one thing that I've found interesting is that all of the stories the women are telling are very similar. (I am, of course, operating under the assumption that they have privately been consistently telling their individual stories to friends/relatives/attorneys, etc. for years. If the subsequent accusers are simply parroting the story of the first accuser then this obviously casts doubt on their stories but my sense is that they have been living with their stories for years--at least the majority of them. It is certainly possible that there could be one or two opportunists in the mix.) They were sent to Cosby for mentoring because he was in a position of power in the entertainment industry and could presumably help them, etc. But he had other plans that were more selfish. He uses "overpowering force" in the form of drugging the victim just like Z used overpowering force by simply shooting his victims without sometimes even a word being uttered, so as to take immediate control of the situation. He then took advantage of them because he could and because nobody would believe them when they said he had done these terrible things. But assuming that these stories are ones that these individual women have been telling for years, they all sound very similar and therefore form a pattern of behavior.

And if you're looking for remorse, I believe he did a comedy routine in front of a women's group last night.

Mike

[duckking2001]

Wasn't sadist or sexual sadist one of his categories too?

[mike_r]

Sexual sadist=anger-excitation

I also want to say that I do not know if Bil Cosby is innocent or guilty. However, the TYPE of rapist these people are describing fits the power-assertive category. The issue of guilt or innocence in this case is not germane to the point I am making. Cosby represents the type of individual a power-assertive rapist would be. The one variation on theme, though, is that he did not boast about his crimes that we know of.

Mike

[Zamantha]

Here's an article about a reporters experience interviewing Bill Cosby. It shows Bill Cosby in a different type of way, like a game player. After reading this it made me think that perhaps he is guilty of the crimes he's accused of. A game player....
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/bill ... he-creeps/

[Zamantha]

Here's an article about a reporters experience interviewing Bill Cosby. It shows Bill Cosby in a different type of way, like a game player. After reading this it made me think that perhaps he is guilty of the crimes he's accused of. A game player....
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/bill ... he-creeps/

This is kinda strange about Bill Cosby, also!
I get what Mike R. Is saying about game players & how they go about it.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... drinks.php