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Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:21 pm
by PinkPhantom
doranchak wrote:Someone amended the Zodiac Killer wiki article with this:

In a 2015 book, former sheriff's deputy Kimberly McGath proposed Dennis Rader, also known as the "BTK killer", as a Zodiac suspect, based on general similarities and other circumstantial evidence. Rader was stationed overseas as a member of the Air Force from 1968 through 1970.


Have always wondered if he went through Travis AFB near Vallejo going to/from deployment.
(Also if he or the zodiac ever had involvement with visiting March AFB in Riverside for any reason during the CJB murder.)

I don't think he is the zodiac, but I think it would be worth checking out.

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:35 pm
by AK Wilks
It is clear Rader was influenced by Zodiac in things like giving himself a name and symbol, sending taunting letters to police and sending in one code/puzzle. But if he was out of state or worse overseas for the time period of all the confirmed Z cases, how could he be Z? Also BTK's crimes involved suburban home invasions against families, overt torture and explicit sexual elements like rape. Very unlike the confirmed Z crimes of killing teens and young adult couples in outdoor settings, with no explicit or overt torture, sexuality or rape.

Rader was overseas in the military from 1968 - 1970, which would seem to cover all the confirmed Zodiac crimes, meaning it is impossible for him to have been Zodiac.

If true this is pretty wacky. Add her to the list of Hodel and Lafferty as former law enforcement who nonetheless came up with weak, unsupported and just plain wrong suspects in the Z case.

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:11 pm
by doranchak
I found this anonymous review of her book:

I did (reluctantly) buy the book, despite its extortionate price. Don't waste your time or money.

Her claim, in the promo materials, of having "discovered the Zodiac killer's identity" is monumentally presumptuous. In fact, she merely proposes Rader as a suspect, based on gossamer circumstantial evidence.

The writing is abysmal, and at least 50% of the text consists of what amount to diary entries -- folksy reminiscences of what the author was doing with family and friends during the period that she was conducting her "investigation", which consisted, essentially, of a Google search. Basically, she drew up a comparison of behavioral characteristics that she found compelling, but I found totally unconvincing. She compares handwriting (which does not match at all), and points out that some of the Zodiac crime scenes were near Air Force bases -- except (as I pointed out in the article) Rader was stationed in Japan and Okinawa from 1968 through 1970, which more than covers the entire time period of the Zodiac's confirmed murders. She explains this away by saying that as an Air Force guy, he "might have traveled extensively" while he was oversees. (A pilot, maybe, or a high-level officer -- but an airman? Don't think so.) She claims to be a former police detective, but made no effort to do any of the things a detective would do before drawing such a bold conclusion, e.g. question the suspect (or at very least, detectives familiar with the suspect), review the physical evidence, etc., etc.

The simple fact of the matter is that serial killers are uncommon (thank goodness), and most of them share many personality traits and idiosyncrasies -- that's why profilers stay employed. Which means that she could have drawn up a similar list of similarities between Zodiac and Ted Bundy, Zodiac and the Green River guy, Zodiac and the Hillside Strangler, et cetera, ad infinitum. So I don't think anyone with any real knowledge of the Zodiac evidence is going to take her theory at all seriously -- and so far, as far as I can tell, no one has.

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:49 pm
by Tahoe27
And there you have it. Thanks doranchak!

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:14 am
by doranchak
There's some activity on the author's Talk page on Wikipedia, concerning some pushback on her attempts to restore the Zodiac Killer article's mention of her book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:66.87.122.224

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:55 pm
by AK Wilks
doranchak wrote:There's some activity on the author's Talk page on Wikipedia, concerning some pushback on her attempts to restore the Zodiac Killer article's mention of her book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:66.87.122.224


They used to have similar problems with Dennis Kaufman, and other people who try to push a suspect, theory or book that is unproven and/or has not gained general acceptance or even a degree of mainstream media coverage.

This idea that enlisted man Rader could just hop on USAF flights from Japan to the US whenever he needed to is ludicrous! I was an enlisted man in the Army & Army Reserve. When we went to training out of state we flew commercial. That's why on so many commercial flights you will see a soldier, airman or sailor in uniform. I did hear from others about a few occasions when enlisted men would on an ad hoc, wait list, space available basis hitch a ride in the back of a cargo plane, if that plane was going where they needed to go. A very uncomfortable flight on a big slow plane, that might have to make other stops to deliver equipment before it gets to your location.

Rader would not even have had enough vacation time available, and even if he did, for leave he would have to pay to fly commercial. Maybe he could have hitched one cargo flight on a wait list space available basis, but it would be so long and time consuming there is just no way he would have the leave time to fly commercial or space available military to go back and forth from Japan to the US for the four confirmed Zodiac crimes, not to mention the several confirmed mailings, some of which took place weeks after the crimes. What utter nonsense.

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:59 pm
by doranchak
Kimberly McGath's theory about the Zodiac killer is getting some attention in this article by the Daily Star, a British tabloid paper:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ting-match

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:55 am
by Kim
Hi there,
It's Kimberly, the author of Zodiac, Settling the Score, and wanted to join the forum/discussion :)

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:03 am
by morf13
Kim wrote:Hi there,
It's Kimberly, the author of Zodiac, Settling the Score, and wanted to join the forum/discussion :)


Welcome, glad to have Authors here of these books. Be warned however, we are a brutally honest Bunch here that will point out the Good,Bad,and Ugly in your book. We are harsh critics seeking the truth in this case

Re: "Zodiac: Settling the Score"

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:08 am
by Kim
Thanks for the welcome!!! :) and that's okay, I have a pretty thick skin, I don't mind the criticisms and think a lot of them are valid, I'm my own worst critic anyway,