NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 12:07 am

There's smoke here...I think

The Author's Grandmother was Verdamae "Verda" Kilitzian. Verda Mae's Mother & Father were Frank Chapman Kirgan & Verda Mae Rowe Kirgan.

In my 1970 Vallejo Directory, there is a listing at 2064 Falcon Dr, Vallejo and one at the same address in Fairfield for Kirgan Piano Service. Now look at this photo of Frank & Verda, it reads '2034 Falcon Dr aprox 1971'. That's got to be them! This author can place his biological Great Grandparents in Vallejo in 1970! Like I said, there may be some smoke here.

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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby Theforeigner » Tue May 13, 2014 3:50 am

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Frank Chapman Kirgan
1902 - 1977
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Born: Benicia, Solano, California
Lived in: 1303 Napa Street, Vallejo, Solano, CA (lived there year 1930)
Died: Fairfield, Solano, California, USA

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Story: The Music Man
1902All Over California
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<p>Frank Chapman Kirgan (my Grandfather) became a &quot;Music Man&quot; sometime before&nbsp;he married Verda Mae Rowe, 1925.&nbsp; He was charged with traveling to small towns all across the Northwest (even as far away as Salt Lake City, UT), to sell band instruments and uniforms to young people who wanted to start a Marching Band, and teaching them to play.&nbsp; I suspect that business people might have sponsored his travel, because these bands were usually named after a local merchant or politician.&nbsp; In addition to his 8th Grade education, he was accompanied by his natural ability to play just about any instrument one&nbsp;set&nbsp;before him.&nbsp; Trumpet, coronet, Saxophone, even cello and piano were but minor challenges.&nbsp; Falk&#39;s Band in Nampa, Idaho is one that I can name.&nbsp; Somehow he learned of an empty musician&#39;s post on the Matson Lines Luxury ships and became a saxophone in the dance band for about 15 years prior to WWII.&nbsp; The ships&nbsp;traveled from San Francisco to several ports in Hawaii, Australia, Singapore, and others.&nbsp; </p><p>Ancestry.com helped me&nbsp;locate a Census report for &quot;Crews of Vessels&quot;&nbsp;from Matson&#39;s<u><em> S. S. Malolo, April 5, 1930</em></u>, with my grandfather&#39;s name on line 14.&nbsp; His then address was in Vallejo, CA, but at some point he moved his family to San Francisco, presumably to be closer to them when he returned from his voyages.&nbsp; </p><p>When the U.S. Government took possession of&nbsp;all of the luxury ships to turn them into supply ships, Frank&#39;s career as a musician came to an end.&nbsp; But he was almost immediately put to work at Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo, CA.&nbsp; There he worked capacities of increasing responsibility until 1952, when he took a test for an even higher position at the San Diego Naval Shipyard.&nbsp; He and Verda loved life in San Diego, even though it was about 500 miles from the rest of their family.&nbsp; Frank attended evening classes at the Junior College and attained his Associate&#39;s degree.&nbsp; He also played cello occasionally for the San Diego Symphony.&nbsp;He also&nbsp;developed an intense interest in the California Missions and Photography.&nbsp;&nbsp;He and Verda would drive to the&nbsp;Missions on the weekend so Frank could photograph them.&nbsp;&nbsp;He later developed a slide show and lecture program about the Missions&nbsp;which he delivered to audiences at the main San Diego Public Library.&nbsp; </p><p>My sister and I traveled south to them each summer . . . sometimes by car, and later by air on&nbsp;$12&nbsp;PSA flights.&nbsp; They lived in an 850 square foot house&nbsp;at 3931&nbsp;69th Street in San Diego, that was filled with more love than the Cistine Chapel.&nbsp; I later lived with my grandparents, from 1962 to 1964.&nbsp; Those years were&nbsp;filled with&nbsp;me nosing into&nbsp;everything he knew.&nbsp; 6&#39; 2&quot; with pure white hair and deep brown eyes he was both God and Santa Claus to me.&nbsp; He&nbsp;helped me with Algebra and Geometry, I tested him when he took a Real Estate&nbsp;course,&nbsp;we talked about religion, photography and the responsibility he had for the people he worked with.&nbsp; I became very interested in Labor Relations as I sat at his knee.&nbsp;&nbsp;Frank thought that he held the highest position that could be obtained by a Civilian in the Navy, but was invited to test for yet another position that would be over four Masters - but in Public Works - in Portsmouth, New Hampshire!&nbsp; He tested well, accepted the job; Frank and Verda moved to New Hampshire.&nbsp; He wanted to work as long as he could; they&nbsp;returned to California in 1967.&nbsp; He became a great-grandfather that same year, and he also undertook a correspondence course in piano tuning.&nbsp; Then he tuned pianos, bought-refurbished-and-sold pianos, and repaired school band instruments until his death in 1977.&nbsp; He had a heart attack at home first.&nbsp; They took him to the hospital and in the days that passed he told us he &quot;saw something&quot; and felt no fear whatsoever when he was on is back in the hallway of their home, and he had no fear&nbsp;of dying then.&nbsp; Frank and Verda are buried in California at Skyview Memorial Lawn Cemetery near the Vallejo/Benicia border . . . Garden of the Good Shepherd.&nbsp; Surely he&#39;s blowing a trumpet somewhere in heaven.&nbsp; </p>
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby mike_r » Tue May 13, 2014 5:20 am

Why does this case attract everyone with daddy issues?

"I asked if HarperCollins had reached out to the San Francisco Police Department, which investigated the cases. Andreadis said they had not. According to the book, she said, the department 'knew more than they’re willing to admit.'"

Translation: They didn't want to ruin a good story by giving their facts to anyone to verify them. The Department was protecting a small time hood and forger? Even I went to them in 2012 after they/ABC said my suspect had been "eliminated" via DNA. I had a three hour sit down with a detective and afterwards they had a meeting of brass. That is because I had the "brass" to put my money where my mouth is. Apparently these folks didn't.

"(“forgeries, bad checks”)", Get ready for the handwriting not to match and this will be the reason. He was a forger! I guess the fact that he was a small time hood proves he was Z. Z simply had to be some lowlife criminal, right?

"If you look at Gary’s photo next to the sketch of the Zodiac next to his father’s mug shot, you can see that there is very clearly more than just a passing resemblance," she said. 'They look alike.'" Now they are onto something. At least this has never happened before.

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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 5:55 am

Well let's hope that this guy is at least willing to provide some writing for his suspect so that we can get some initial ideas for ourselves.

I for one am at least interested enough to find out the suspects name and did a little bit more
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby Theforeigner » Tue May 13, 2014 6:40 am

mike_r wrote:Why does this case attract everyone with daddy issues?

"I asked if HarperCollins had reached out to the San Francisco Police Department, which investigated the cases. Andreadis said they had not. According to the book, she said, the department 'knew more than they’re willing to admit.'"

Translation: They didn't want to ruin a good story by giving their facts to anyone to verify them. The Department was protecting a small time hood and forger? Even I went to them in 2012 after they/ABC said my suspect had been "eliminated" via DNA. I had a three hour sit down with a detective and afterwards they had a meeting of brass. That is because I had the "brass" to put my money where my mouth is. Apparently these folks didn't.

"(“forgeries, bad checks”)", Get ready for the handwriting not to match and this will be the reason. He was a forger! I guess the fact that he was a small time hood proves he was Z. Z simply had to be some lowlife criminal, right?

"If you look at Gary’s photo next to the sketch of the Zodiac next to his father’s mug shot, you can see that there is very clearly more than just a passing resemblance," she said. 'They look alike.'" Now they are onto something. At least this has never happened before.

Mike


Come on Mike, you are better than that, let people, including myself, be interested in whatever possible suspect they/I want to, no need o patronise or belitter just because you yourself have a good suspect, I have a VERY good one too you know, but I STILL keep an open mind as long as I don´t have the smoking gun on my suspect, and neither do you right?
So cheer up buddy :)
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 7:05 am

Foreigner, that's well said ;)

I believe in letting everybody tell their story and see what they have to say, until I get the info, I will withhold judgement. We don't even know this suspect's name yet nor any details, yet people are already trying to cast doubt. I guess it's hard to have faith after the likes of Kauffman, Deb Perez, etc
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby Theforeigner » Tue May 13, 2014 8:23 am

morf13 wrote:Foreigner, that's well said ;)

I believe in letting everybody tell their story and see what they have to say, until I get the info, I will withhold judgement. We don't even know this suspect's name yet nor any details, yet people are already trying to cast doubt. I guess it's hard to have faith after the likes of Kauffman, Deb Perez, etc


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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 8:41 am

His mom is 100% Judith
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 8:44 am

Ok I am going to break down and buy the audio book on iTunes for 28.95
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Re: NEW! "The Zodiac Killer Is My Father"

Postby morf13 » Tue May 13, 2014 11:05 am

The Suspect's name is Earl Van Best JR(unsure of spelling)or Earle Van Best Jr. (VANN??)
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