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Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:09 pm
by Tahoe27
Sorry to jump in here--I know you guys don't need my help! This cipher stuff is WAY out of my league. As always, I am impressed with all of your (everyones) hard work. You seem very cipher savvy Jarlve.

Just throwing this out there as a while ago I put in a post about repeated patters---granted, they are left to right, but I think there is something to it when you consider this; no matter left to right, pivots, etc.

For what it's worth, I think this helps to emphasize some of those repeated pattern: viewtopic.php?f=81&t=856

Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:21 pm
by traveller1st
It does T and thanks.

I was actually considering that thread to dump my recent nonsense in but since I suspected that the proximity to the pivots would be noted I plumped for here. I was actually gonna add a link to your thread but you doing it saves me doing it lol. Ahhhhh, the easier, softer way. :D

Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:43 pm
by bmichelle
Smithy why is your image removed from your post?

Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:17 am
by Jarlve
Tahoe27 wrote:Sorry to jump in here--I know you guys don't need my help! This cipher stuff is WAY out of my league. As always, I am impressed with all of your (everyones) hard work. You seem very cipher savvy Jarlve.

Just throwing this out there as a while ago I put in a post about repeated patters---granted, they are left to right, but I think there is something to it when you consider this; no matter left to right, pivots, etc.

For what it's worth, I think this helps to emphasize some of those repeated pattern: http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=856


Thanks Tahoe27,

Something similar as your work in the link is on my to do list. It's very useful.

Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:50 pm
by doranchak
These patterns are interesting. One way to test for significance is to measure how often the same kind of patterns appear in the "shuffled" cipher text (for example, shuffling the 340 like a deck of cards), or in other normally constructed substitution ciphers. We know that your "repeated structure pattern" discovery (see http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/ind ... tle=Pivots) often occurs by chance in random text, so I'm wondering if these new patterns fall into the same category.

It is the kind of programming exercise I enjoy doing and may pursue it some day. Unless someone beats me to it. :D

Re: Pivots

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:13 pm
by traveller1st
MoP.jpg


It even has strings and pluses. :D :P