Cipher Zynchronicity

[entropy]

I'm not sure why my head keeps returning to this idea posted on the old message board but it woke me from a sound sleep. I still think it's one of the best non-technical cipher observations I've seen. I know not everyone is into reading cipher threads but I think it deserves more attention than it got the first time around.

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com ... 24-44-rows

Jem's observation was that the 340 and 408 ciphers combined would fit precisely onto two full pieces of standard graph paper. A 1/2 inch ruled piece of 8 1/2 X 11 graph paper yields a 17 X 22 grid or 374 spaces. Two pages= 748 spaces, which is the combined capacity of both our solved 408 cipher and unsolved 340 cipher.

Coincidence or POSSIBLY an indication that the two ciphers were created at the same time?
Does this lend any creedence to the possibility that the 340 cipher could be a continuation (differently encoded) of the 408 or that the unsolved portion of the 408 cipher might represent the beginning of the 340?

Perhaps a mod could bring the original discussion over here?

[StitchMallone]

I think it is quite possible that that the last line of the 408 could pertain to the 340 and not just filler.

[traveller1st]

Dave already did. He copied across all of the cipher threads.

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=296

[entropy]

Dave already did. He copied across all of the cipher threads.

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... f=81&t=296

Awesome! Thanks, Trav (and Dave).

I'm going to take the liberty of reposting your depiction of the ciphers together. I'm imagining this as two sheets of standard grade-school issue graph paper which would have every block filled. The first page would end with the backwards C on line 22 and the second page would begin with the Z on the following line.



What I'm looking at is whether there are any patterns in the alteration of symbols from the 408 to the 340 that can't really be captured by comparing the two ciphers statistically. I think this is kind of an interesting way of looking at the two ciphers together even if they weren't created together.

A few observations:

- The forward and back slashes in the 408 are accompanied by vertical and horizonal "slashes" in the 340 (is the "I" symbol a letter or are all of these variations of the same symbol?)

- The "anchor" symbol in the 408 gives way to the same symbol with dots on the left or right in the 340. Are these different symbols or the same with the dots being required to indicate whether the symbol is "regular" or reversed? The plain old anchor symbol doesn't appear in the 340 so I tend to think these dots are an important distinction.

- The V and ^ symbols are joined by < and > variations. Totally different symbols or rotated versions of the original ones?

- The lower right filled square is joined by its reverse image (why no symbols with the other quadrants fillled)?

Any other observations on the rotation or reversal of symbols from one cipher to the next?

I apologize for my complete lack of graphic skills to explain myself.

[doranchak]

I apologize for my complete lack of graphic skills to explain myself.

Here is a "typewriter-ified" version of your post for clarity:

A few observations:

- The and symbols in the 408 are accompanied by and in the 340 (is the symbol a letter or are all of these variations of the same symbol?)

- The 408 has the symbol, but the 340 instead has and . Are these different symbols or the same with the dots being required to indicate whether the symbol is "regular" or reversed? The plain old symbol doesn't appear in the 340 so I tend to think these dots are an important distinction.

- The and symbols are joined by and variations. Totally different symbols or rotated versions of the original ones?

- The is joined by , which is its reverse (why no symbols with the other quadrants fillled)?

Any other observations on the rotation or reversal of symbols from one cipher to the next?

I apologize for my complete lack of graphic skills to explain myself.

[doranchak]

- The and symbols in the 408 are accompanied by and in the 340 (is the symbol a letter or are all of these variations of the same symbol?)

It's curious to me that the is involved not only with one of the "pivots" (intersecting trigrams), but also those weird "box corner" things:



I can't help but look at the symbols and see them as little arrows, especially since the left and right "arrows" are new in the 340. The and are also new to the 340. And the is involved with the "fold in the middle" quality of the 10th line. How much of this is pareidolia???

[Marclean]

Hello friends, if you already know someone was trying to break the 340 possible trying other languages ​​such as French, Spanish, Latin, (do not know the exact percentage of each letter expectancy in those languages​​) and also not have capacity to do so. Who knows the zodiac was polyglot?!

Marcelo

[Welsh Chappie]

Hello friends, if you already know someone was trying to break the 340 possible trying other languages ​​such as French, Spanish, Latin, (do not know the exact percentage of each letter expectancy in those languages​​) and also not have capacity to do so. Who knows the zodiac was polyglot?!

Marcelo

Yes, I believe the correct, accurate and mathematical terminology for this would be "Pffft, I haven't got the slightest clue at all". I can't even come close to trying to crack it in English ;et alone decide to become a bilingual cipher cracker and decode it in Spanish....Which I don't speak lol.

On a serious note, what give you reason to believe/suspect that the message contained within it may not be written in English?

[Marclean]

Yes, I believe the correct, accurate and mathematical terminology for this would be "Pffft, I haven't got the slightest clue at all". I can't even come close to trying to crack it in English ;et alone decide to become a bilingual cipher cracker and decode it in Spanish....Which I don't speak lol.

On a serious note, what give you reason to believe/suspect that the message contained within it may not be written in English?[/quote]



Lol, Just a suggestion, since no result was in English, French I suggest, as will the zodiac is Canadian?!
Me too, or you were in Portuguese I not break this code never
  I guarantee that Z is not Brazilian!!
Marcelo

[Quagmire]

Well, we all know that Zodiac is Welsh so that's what everyone should be looking for...

Diolch yn fawr a Nos Da.