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Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm
by smokie treats
Yeah, I was just thinking out loud. Not one brain cell in my head was offended. All I want is to keep working on it and find a solution, like a machine. We will not always agree on things, but have a common interest and that is what keeps us together. That said, would you happen to have an updated map of where all the "new" symbols are?

How many ways can we look at the "new" symbols to try to find a clue?

Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm
by doranchak
smokie treats wrote:That said, would you happen to have an updated map of where all the "new" symbols are?


Here's what I've got if you want to compare notes:

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Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:30 am
by Jarlve
Well, there goes the observation. Thank you doranchak for pointing that out.

Largo: use the webtoy transcriptions.

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9%P/Z/UB%kOR=pX=B
WV+eGYF69HP@K!qYe
MJY^UIk7qTtNQYD5)
S(/9#BPORAU%fRlqE
k^LMZJdr\pFHVWe8Y
@+qGD9KI)6qX85zS(
RNtIYElO8qGBTQS#B
Ld/P#B@XqEHMU^RRk
cZKqpI)Wq!85LMr9#
BPDR+j=6\N(eEUHkF
ZcpOVWI5+tL)l^R6H
I9DR_TYr\de/@XJQA
P5M8RUt%L)NVEKH=G
rI!Jk598LMlNA)Z(P
zUpkA9#BVW\+VTtOP
^=SrlfUe67DzG%%IM
Nk)ScE/9%%ZfAP#BV
peXqWq_F#8c+@9A9B
%OT5RUc+_dYq_^SqW
VZeGYKE_TYA9%#Lt_
H!FBX9zXADd\7L!=q
_ed##6e5PORXQF%Gc
Z@JTtq_8JI+rBPQW6
VEXr9WI6qEHM)=UIk

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HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np+B(#O%DWY.<*Kf)
By:cM+UZGW()L#zHJ
Spp7^l8*V3pO++RK2
_9M+ztjd|5FP+&4k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5+Kq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2Jfj#O+_NYz+@L9
d<M+b+ZR2FBcyA64K
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Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:44 am
by Largo
smokie treats wrote:Yeah, I was just thinking out loud. Not one brain cell in my head was offended.


I'm glad to hear that. I had some exhausting days and so I had just misinterpreted your statement.

Jarlve wrote:My thoughts are that questions such as, Why did he do this? Why did he do that? do not much help us forward in any way. I rather find out what is real or most likely.


smokie treats wrote:We will not always agree on things, but have a common interest and that is what keeps us together


Working with different approaches is the best thing we can do. I like to work with the approach "Why did he do this and that?" I'd like to put 100 people in a room who have never been involved with encryption before. Then I would explain how z408 works and how it was cracked. After that, I would give these 100 people the task of finding an improved encryption method that can't be cracked so quickly. Just to see what ideas they have. I did this once with some friends. One of them came up with the idea that each encryption symbol could stand for several plain text letters... polyphonic! He was not aware that he had created nearly a one-time-pad with it. Someone else simply wrote the text backwards.


David:
Thanks for the comparisons. I'm just seeing that I messed up. Instead of visually comparing, I simply relied on my long-established transcriptions and keys and overlooked the fact that they don't fit together (z408 and the z408 key fits, z340 transcription is ok too. But z408 key and z340 cipher does not share the same symbol assignments). Already the fourth character (<) does not appear in z408. So my "discovery" is pretty worthless. Nevertheless, I will spend some time with the key of z408 and the distribution of the new symbols. Maybe I'll notice something after all.

Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:07 am
by Jarlve
Largo wrote:Working with different approaches is the best thing we can do.

I agree but some approaches may be exhausted.

Re: 408 key on 340

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:23 am
by smokie treats
I am going back to my Alberti idea and will post in one of the other threads in a while.