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Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:00 am
by doranchak
I still very much wish to work on my cipher type identification project. But it may be a while before I have enough time to work on it, since I have taken up some paid part-time work related to crypto.

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:01 am
by Jarlve
doranchak wrote:I still very much wish to work on my cipher type identification project. But it may be a while before I have enough time to work on it, since I have taken up some paid part-time work related to crypto.

That sounds great, getting paid for what you love to do. And in the meantime you are building up energy and ideas for your cipher identification project.

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:13 pm
by doranchak
Jarlve wrote:That sounds great, getting paid for what you love to do. And in the meantime you are building up energy and ideas for your cipher identification project.

Very true. I wish I had the resources to put together a team and have them bring the ideas to reality for me! :)

Another upcoming project: I was invited to give a talk at this year's American Cryptogram Association convention, and thought it would be worthwhile to present to them the latest snapshot of what people think are the significant features of Z340, and what ideas they are testing out especially here in this forum. I've been following everyone's progress here with great interest. I think it would be beneficial to connect this community with the ACA since they have talented codebreakers and I am really curious what they would make of all the weirdness in Z340, especially since they are very familiar with a broad variety of encipherment systems.

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:51 am
by Jarlve
doranchak wrote:
Jarlve wrote:That sounds great, getting paid for what you love to do. And in the meantime you are building up energy and ideas for your cipher identification project.

Very true. I wish I had the resources to put together a team and have them bring the ideas to reality for me! :)

Another upcoming project: I was invited to give a talk at this year's American Cryptogram Association convention, and thought it would be worthwhile to present to them the latest snapshot of what people think are the significant features of Z340, and what ideas they are testing out especially here in this forum. I've been following everyone's progress here with great interest. I think it would be beneficial to connect this community with the ACA since they have talented codebreakers and I am really curious what they would make of all the weirdness in Z340, especially since they are very familiar with a broad variety of encipherment systems.

You will talk about the 340? It would be worthwhile to know the opinions of the ACA people on the 340 and perhaps our observations.

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:57 am
by doranchak
Jarlve wrote:You will talk about the 340? It would be worthwhile to know the opinions of the ACA people on the 340 and perhaps our observations.

Yes, I will try to focus primarily on Z340. I'm eager to hear what they think. They spend a lot of time creating and solving all sorts of cryptograms in the magazine they publish every two months. The members seem very competitive, and track the scores of top solvers. Several have even written their own hillclimbers for cracking the codes. I'm hoping that giving them an overview of all of our observations will fuel their curiosity and motivation for exploring Z340.

Several ACA members also post their own homemade cryptograms in this Google Plus group: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities ... 1588941207

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:58 pm
by Jarlve
doranchak wrote:
Jarlve wrote:You will talk about the 340? It would be worthwhile to know the opinions of the ACA people on the 340 and perhaps our observations.

Yes, I will try to focus primarily on Z340. I'm eager to hear what they think. They spend a lot of time creating and solving all sorts of cryptograms in the magazine they publish every two months. The members seem very competitive, and track the scores of top solvers. Several have even written their own hillclimbers for cracking the codes. I'm hoping that giving them an overview of all of our observations will fuel their curiosity and motivation for exploring Z340.

Several ACA members also post their own homemade cryptograms in this Google Plus group: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities ... 1588941207

It is good, the 340 feels more than genuine enough to receive more attention.

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:19 pm
by Jarlve
Made this image for the main page, it looks neat.

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Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:08 pm
by Jarlve
Working on a new solver in the midst of things, substitution + sequential homophones. Use the sequential homophones aka cycles as leverage. I have something up and running and it works unbelievably well. It runs about 7 times slower due to the added cycle calculations though ciphers with cycles solve quicker and better. Here are a few examples of what it did so far:

Solve on a 5 row 408 with 6-grams, AZdecrypt's previous best was 6 rows with 7-grams:

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Score: 24955.60 Ioc: 0.05714
Ngrams: 55 PC-cycles: 461

ILIKEKILLINGPEOPL
EBECAUSEITISSOMUC
HFUNITISMANYOUHAV
EAKIDLINGWILDGAME
INTHEFORBESTBECAU

Solve on a 6 row 408 with 5-grams, a tie with AZdecrypt's previous best which had to use 7-grams to accomplish this:

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Score: 25098.68 Ioc: 0.05862
Ngrams: 156 PC-cycles: 865

IDIWEWILDINGPEOPL
EBECAUSEITISSOMUC
HFUNITISMANYOURTH
ERWILLINGKIDSGAME
INTHEFORBESTBECAU
SEMARISTHEMOATVER

Solve on smokie's purple haze cipher with 5-grams, the one with wildcards, previously impossible for AZdecrypt without expansion of said wildcards:

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Score: 19226.57 Ioc: 0.05396
Ngrams: 643 PC-cycles: 7820

PULPLEHAVEALLINRY
BLAIDLATELYTHINGS
OMUTSEERTHESAREAS
TINFUNNYBUTIMCUMK
NOWWHYSSUSEREWHIL
EIKISSSHESKYODLOL
EHAVEADLAOCUSMMBN
TOUMWIOIRSCRONGUP
CLMCWNARIHAPPYBLI
NOIDELYWOATESELIT
ISTSATGILLPUTASPE
LDDUREHESPREHESPR
ECHNCCHYMAHPUDPLE
HAVOALLINROEYESMO
NDKUMWIFITSMAYCLN
IGHTYCUSOGCTREBLB
WINGBLMWISGRORIUM
ISITDCDCSLCWBMJUS
TTHEENMMFTIROHELP
REOEAHPUOPLSHAOEX

Solve on jrob's cipher with 5-grams, previously impossible for AZdecrypt without using the reddit 5-grams or 6-grams:

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Score: 22785.22 Ioc: 0.06461
Ngrams: 2088 PC-cycles: 42290

ILIKEEATINGICEC
REAMBECGUSEITIS
SODELICUNIDISMO
REDELICIOUSTHAN
EATINGSHNRBETOF
THEFROZENFOODAI
SLEBECAUSEICECR
EAMINTHEMOSTDEL
ICIOUSGELATOOFA
LLTONGDSOMETHIN
GSWEETGIVESMETV
EMONTPLEASIGNEX
PERENCEITISHVEN
MOREPLEASINGTHA
FSLURPINGDOWNAW
EGDYSNHAKETHEBE
STPARDOIITISTHA
TWHENIURINGTEAL
LTVICECREAMIHAV
HEATENWILLBEREB
ORMASLEMONAUEIW
ILLNOTGIVEYOUTH
EGAMEOFMYGROCER
BECGUSHYOUWILLS
LOWDOWNORNDOPMY
EATINGOFICECREA
MHAANCZRTESTDIA

Solve on the fake Zodiac 169 cipher with 5-grams, previously impossible for AZdecrypt without 6-grams:

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Score: 26152.14 Ioc: 0.05571
Ngrams: 1600 PC-cycles: 2948

SHAUNAIFYOUWI
SHTOKNOWMYIDE
NTITYYOUWILLH
AVETOPUTSOMEE
FFORTINTOITDO
NOTFIDDLEANDF
ARTAROUNDHERE
ISACLUEASKMIS
SUSTAYLORIFSH
EREMEMBERSWHO
DRAWSTHESYMBO
LTHENYOUWILLH
AVEMEGOODLUCK

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:06 pm
by doranchak
Jarlve wrote:Solve on a 5 row 408 with 6-grams, AZdecrypt's previous best was 6 rows with 7-grams:

Wow! Nice job! That's particularly impressive since the first 5 rows have a multiplicity of 0.588. More than half of the symbols are different!

Re: AZdecrypt WinGUI

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:29 pm
by bmichelle
Looks really great Jalve!! Great work! I wish that I had the knowledge and ability to use these great programs you all develop.