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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:52 am
by Jarlve
Mr lowe wrote:Jarlve can you do that heat map in two halves just to see what it looks like, two rows of 10 please.

Oh and can you do the heat map without the last row in the 408 and also without row 14 in the 340

Mr lowe,

I am glad you asked for these. Removing row 14 from the 340 now turns the spotlight exactly in the middle of the other horizontal pivot fragment. If you ask me it looks more and more credible that the horizontal parts of the pivots are made up structures by the Zodiac as he went through the encoding process.

340 part 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... Uowdi1mTDQ
340 part 2: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... XI4dkdBT0U
340 row 14 removed: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... jNzRTNSUnc

408 part 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... E5JNUFNeGc
408 part 2: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... UdJZGdHQ0U
408 part 3: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... ElWN1lzVnM
408 row 24 removed: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... TQ0bDNSLWs

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:53 am
by Jarlve
You will be able to play around with this yourself when I make the next AZdecrypt update available, the maps are generated automatically from the new tests.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:03 pm
by Mr lowe
Jarlve wrote:You will be able to play around with this yourself when I make the next AZdecrypt update available, the maps are generated automatically from the new tests.


Looking forward to the update. In the mean time can you do a heat map of period 39. I recall it may have been done by Smokie. And can you mark in the pivots . Cheers

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:24 pm
by smokie treats
It looks like the even rows test more positive, but I don't know what that means.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:49 pm
by Mr lowe
A casual observation in the first heat map jarlve put up. It is a bit hard to be sure as the colour differentiations is not real easy to disseminate.( may be yellow to red would be better) The pattern looks a lot like checkerboard or 'odds even' from rows 1 through to 10 and the rows 11 through to 20 look more like solid lines.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:18 pm
by Jarlve
Changing the color scheme of the heatmap was a very good suggestion Mr lowe, it now looks splendid! It goes from teal to yellow to red. The checkerboard pattern you are seeing might be an artifact of the periodic system that was used to generate that image.

The following images have been generated with a new grid based system that currently only looks for horizontal and vertical fragments.

340: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... 0k0WTdsYjA
408: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... XRwNjdnWVU
smokie59a: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... 2tFLXA1MFk
smokie59b: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... DhiUGhnRW8
smokie59c: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... lZKbWcxQlU
smokie59d: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... 1RQVmNienc

@smokie, I wonder if the top and bottom parts of the circle sit in row 6 and 14 since these areas show up a bit.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:46 pm
by Mr lowe
yes jarlve its a bit easier on the eye. Can you put up a period 19, period 39 and a 19 skytale. or I will wait for your update.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:59 pm
by smokie treats
I really like the new images a lot.

I didn't save the messages, but the circle was about that size. Rows 6 and 14 look about right. There were four symbols at the top, bottom and sides, with one 45 degree corner symbol at upper left, right, and lower left and right.

It is interesting that using the program to look at only part of the message, or all of the message without row 14 allows us to see other areas of the message that are not as cyclic. I think that this is a very useful tool that deserves more exploration and may help us understand what Zodiac did. I have been thinking about two keys, one for odd rows and one for even rows. Or, encoding before some type of alteration to hide the bigram repeats. Whether it is transposition or not.

But for now I am open minded and liking the new tool. Not bad. How do you want to use it next?

I am low energy right now.

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:13 pm
by Jarlve
Mr lowe wrote:yes jarlve its a bit easier on the eye. Can you put up a period 19, period 39 and a 19 skytale. or I will wait for your update.

The system measures the encoding, which in case of the 340 appears to be from left-to-right, top-to-bottom, or in other words period 1. Higher periods such as 19 and 39 will suffer total encoding randomization and the system would see improvement in nearly each row and column. Or do you want to see the randomization in the columns of those periods in function of period 1?

smokie treats wrote:But for now I am open minded and liking the new tool. Not bad. How do you want to use it next?

It is a project that I am enjoying for the moment and perhaps some good things will come from it. More in general I would like to know where the perceived encoding randomness comes from and if it could pose decryption problems. Can any of the following be ruled in or out: nulls, polyphones, cycle randomness, alternative encoding method or mixed?

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:42 pm
by Mr lowe
hi jarlve, i was sort of thinking along the lines of it being a double transposition cipher. for example unravel to a period 19 or 39 then see what the heat map shows.
Row 14 being the standout in this map. interesting Z was very fond of 14, 4-teen, in the peek a boo/Halloween card. (if it was him)