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Mr lowe wrote:hi smokie.. i have tried lots of times to get a scytale to wrap and form in a pivot with no success. i can see your line of thinking but i am not sure he would have done that.
cheers

That gives me an idea. Test the message by designated areas for cycle scores. Designate an area, and calculate the cycle score with all of the symbols in the message where only those symbols are in the area. For example, designate all of the cells in a diagonal row. Then calculate the cycle scores for the message after deleting all of the symbols in the message that do not appear in that diagonal row. Do that with a lot of areas of the same size and shape to see if there is one area or shape that has a really high cycle score. See if that can be used to identify repetitive patterns in the plaintext.

For the idea two posts above, cast the message into 19 x 18, then slide three columns down one position. Then slide the next three columns down two positions. Do that with different combinations of three columns. Test horizontal rows to see if you get higher cycle scores.

Bigrams: 41
- Normalized: 0.1547169811320755
Bigram ioc: 98
- Normalized: 0.0008552826796529996
Deep bigrams: 14407
N-grams: 49
Asymmetry: 2446

Bigram map:
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10 28 19 10
25 4 30 50 10
28 13 17 5 15 19 53
27 62 34 5 19 6
16 47 7 23 51 14 20 9 27
5 19 7 25 21 19 53
21 19 5 19 15 19 11 14 20
55 3 30 50

18 35 59 40 63 55 19 6 22 16
20 23 29 42
37 51 58 19 20 37 51 18 35 21 19
22 16 23 11 5
19 19 20 58 19 20 22 16
7 25 19 40
29 42
17 5 55 3 19 53 11 5
16 47 7 23 51 55 19 40
29 42 59 40 63 9 27 62 34 28 13
20 23 11 14 19 10 25 4

similar to what you are doing smokie.. this gives a high bigram count. simply odds evens columns then each column moved up one. then read top to bottom left to right.. the over all solve is not great but the first two words are DON CARDON which would be a neat way to start of your next code knowing Don Harden had solved the first one so easy.

Score: 20612.56 Ioc: 0.07013 Multiplicity: 0.18529
N-grams: 329 PC-cycles: 366

DONCARDONSIDEEDAN
DSPRINTIMINOREAND
ONTHEATTHESHEILLB
EATINSCHEADLETSTO
ADGUNSTLORMANYMAS
LYSHEAURIESINCECA
NIEHSHHEDTHEETORS
BYIFITTAGOFLANETH
RENATOITSAMCAPINE
ACULAWARBEANDOORE
RHASFAIRSOUNGHAMO
UNTLERONTRACIERAL
LYANDHPPYHCROSSTH
ENTEROLERICELANDP
URSELEEEALTINIONT
INDEDOUTANTTOFANE
THBYYESINTHTRFEIN
OUDIENDGUSSTOBEAT
ASOURSAWARMATIOND
RSTOOLAYEDDEDATRI

Mr lowe wrote:similar to what you are doing smokie.. this gives a high bigram count. simply odds evens columns then each column moved up one. then read top to bottom left to right.. the over all solve is not great but the first two words are DON CARDON which would be a neat way to start of your next code knowing Don Harden had solved the first one so easy.

Very interesting! Unfortunately I can not reproduce the cipher you have created. I sort odd/oven columns (which is column order period 2) and then I shift the whole cipher up by one. This results in 25 bigrams. Could you please post your cipher? Or maybe you have an idea what I am doing wrong?

this is it largo... if you need i can show it from a spreadsheet view but i will have to take a pic of it and post it cheers

16 14 32 12 30 1 10 28 22 31 8 26 33 19 10 6 24
26 23 52 25 4 22 39 45 9 4 13 2 20 19 30 50 10
28 13 17 5 36 6 17 17 15 19 53 15 33 34 43 48 55
36 27 62 34 13 31 41 5 19 6 16 46 36 51 31 11 29
40 16 47 7 24 23 51 43 14 20 9 27 13 3 54 44 31
49 3 23 5 19 44 7 25 21 19 53 21 50 41 19 41 27
37 21 19 5 23 15 5 19 16 11 15 19 19 11 14 20 53
55 3 21 38 8 51 51 40 47 29 38 48 30 50 36 39 15
1 19 37 44 11 56 8 60 31 40 54 41 18 61 8 37 33
18 35 7 49 30 59 40 63 55 19 6 22 16 2 28 20 33
20 5 40 23 38 18 34 20 23 29 42 32 47 5 6 54 56
42 37 51 58 19 20 29 37 51 63 18 35 21 19 1 30 58
46 3 57 22 16 5 61 52 3 15 12 20 56 23 23 11 5
19 32 39 19 20 28 58 19 20 45 12 36 46 44 22 16 61
7 25 53 36 48 19 36 19 40 48 39 21 37 8 2 50 51
8 50 16 36 26 29 42 17 6 50 11 11 28 38 57 13 19
17 5 55 3 3 19 53 4 32 11 5 51 1 38 36 34 50
56 7 26 21 36 37 16 47 7 53 23 51 14 55 19 40 51
30 31 29 42 20 31 6 59 40 63 9 27 62 34 28 13 26
20 23 11 14 56 43 40 3 33 26 10 19 10 18 11 25 4

Mr lowe wrote:this is it largo... if you need i can show it from a spreadsheet view but i will have to take a pic of it and post it cheers

I use Microsoft Snipping Tool, a utility that should be on your computer, and then I copy and paste into Paint.

16
14 32
12 30 1
10 28 22 31
8 26 33 19 10
6 24 26 23 52 25
4 22 39 45 9 4 13
2 20 19 30 50 10 28 13
17 5 36 6 17 17 15 19 53
15 33 34 43 48 55 36 27 62 34
13 31 41 5 19 6 16 46 36 51 31
11 29 40 16 47 7 24 23 51 43 14 20
9 27 13 3 54 44 31 49 3 23 5 19 44
7 25 21 19 53 21 50 41 19 41 27 37 21 19
5 23 15 5 19 16 11 15 19 19 11 14 20 53 55
3 21 38 8 51 51 40 47 29 38 48 30 50 36 39 15
1 19 37 44 11 56 8 60 31 40 54 41 18 61 8 37 33
18 35 7 49 30 59 40 63 55 19 6 22 16 2 28 20 33
20 5 40 23 38 18 34 20 23 29 42 32 47 5 6 54 56
42 37 51 58 19 20 29 37 51 63 18 35 21 19 1 30 58
46 3 57 22 16 5 61 52 3 15 12 20 56 23 23 11
5 19 32 39 19 20 28 58 19 20 45 12 36 46 44
22 16 61 7 25 53 36 48 19 36 19 40 48 39
21 37 8 2 50 51 8 50 16 36 26 29 42
17 6 50 11 11 28 38 57 13 19 17 5
55 3 3 19 53 4 32 11 5 51 1
38 36 34 50 56 7 26 21 36 37
16 47 7 53 23 51 14 55 19
40 51 30 31 29 42 20 31
6 59 40 63 9 27 62
34 28 13 26 20 23
11 14 56 43 40
3 33 26 10
19 10 18
11 25
4

it comes out in a different shape but the same format when i post it through???

took a photo of the format but it wont let me load it to big it says? sorry largo frustrated to the heavens such a simple pic wont load and it tells the story..

The file is too big, maximum allowed size is 256 KiB. wtf its a i phone pic shot

Thank you Mr lowe. You could try this:

Set the focus on the window you want a screenshot of. Then press Alt+Print at the same time. Then open Paint and press Ctrl+V or choose "insert" from the menu. Then save as .jpg. This should be small enough. If not, simply resize the image again.