Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby smokie treats » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:58 am

Jarlve wrote:
smokie treats wrote:And what I came up with at 0.37 MIPS for 10 hours. The Acer is locked up right now.

Here is a current build of AZdecrypt 1.15 with the much faster and improved row bound solver: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YUKgz ... hHCc0yE25y

It needs the base 1.14 install to work. Also put all the files of N-gram folder in this zip in your existing N-gram folder and if Windows ask to overwrite or replace do so.

Let me know how it goes. I still need to look into your analysis, it looks interesting.


Thank you very much.

Here are the final results for American Short Stories, matrix posted above.

P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext not transposed
127 messages with one pivot
17 messages with two pivots

P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16
54 messages with one pivot
1 messages with three pivots

P18, P36, P54 pivots in cleartext not transposed
129 messages with one pivot
11 messages with two pivots
6 messages with three pivots

P18, P36, P54 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16
133 messages with one pivot
11 messages with two pivots
1 messages with three pivots


I do not think that I have an error with the P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16 test. Maybe the lower pivot counts because the letters must be tied to each other in an ngram for each pivot pair, like OO, A_A, and E__E, and line up into a pivot, whereas for the other tests the letters do not have to be tied to each other.
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby Jarlve » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:44 am

doranchak wrote:
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doranchak wrote:I recently wrote a thing that tries to guess word breaks and here's what it got for your solves:

Cool! Can we see that on the 408?

Test string: ILIKEKILLINGPEOPLEBECAUSEITISSOMUCHFUNITISMOREFUNTHANKILLINGWILDGAMEINTHEFORRESTBECAUSEMANISTHEMOATDANGERTUEANAMALOFALLTOKILLSOMETHINGGIVESMETHEMOATTHRILLINGEXPERENCEITISEVENBETTERTHANGETTINGYOURROCKSOFFWITHAGIRLTHEBESTPARTOFITIATHAEWHENIDIEIWILLBEREBORNINPARADICESNDALLTHEIHAVEKILLEDWILLBECOMEMYSLAVESIWILLNOTGIVEYOUMYNAMEBECAUSEYOUWILLTRYTOSLOIDOWNORSTOPMYCOLLECTINGOFSLAVESFORMYAFTERLIFEEBEORIETEMETHHPITI

Guessed breaks: I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FOR REST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOAT DANGER TUE AN AMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOAT THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF ITIA THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICES ND ALL THE I HAVE KILLED WILL BE COME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOIDOWN OR STOP MY COLLECTING OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTER LIFE EBEORIETE METHHPITI

Works very well!
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby Jarlve » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:04 am

smokie treats wrote:I don't know, but it has been two years and I am still wondering about this. See below left, the pivots, and all cells highlighted for P16, P32 and P48 unigram repeats, totaling 48 cells. On the right, the herringbone pattern of P16 RLBT repeats that have the same symbols as P19. I keep wondering if this is some type of transparency.

I am trying to catch up smokie. I know you have talked about these patterns before.

So the special thing about the combined period 16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats is that they highlight the pivots right?

And the special thing about the herringbone pattern is that the period 19 bigram repeats make up diagonal lines that repeat on a period of 3 right?

Just to make sure I am on track before I start thinking about it.
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby smokie treats » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:04 pm

Jarlve wrote:
smokie treats wrote:I don't know, but it has been two years and I am still wondering about this. See below left, the pivots, and all cells highlighted for P16, P32 and P48 unigram repeats, totaling 48 cells. On the right, the herringbone pattern of P16 RLBT repeats that have the same symbols as P19. I keep wondering if this is some type of transparency.

I am trying to catch up smokie. I know you have talked about these patterns before.

So the special thing about the combined period 16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats is that they highlight the pivots right?

And the special thing about the herringbone pattern is that the period 19 bigram repeats make up diagonal lines that repeat on a period of 3 right?

Just to make sure I am on track before I start thinking about it.


Yes, P16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats make pivots that face upper left and lower right, and P18, 36 and 54 unigram repeats make pivots that face lower left or upper right.

How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby Mr lowe » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:50 pm

can you post up a heat map smokey
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby smokie treats » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:48 pm

Mr lowe wrote:can you post up a heat map smokey


What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby Mr lowe » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:36 am

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Mr lowe wrote:can you post up a heat map smokey


What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?


something along these lines.. when you did a heat map after we swapped lines 14 and 20.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... GhTbkNpdDQ
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby smokie treats » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:57 am

Mr lowe wrote:
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Mr lowe wrote:can you post up a heat map smokey


What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?


something along these lines.. when you did a heat map after we swapped lines 14 and 20.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r ... GhTbkNpdDQ


I don't have a heatmap for this, but I did separate the P19 symbols and the P-16 symbols, and checked for ABAB cycles reading LRTB. There was nothing of note.
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby Jarlve » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:57 am

smokie treats wrote:How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.

I have not looked into it yet but does your method have a typical function besides revealing the herringbone pattern? Or did you find it with experimentation? How does it look for the 408?

Are there not 339 period 19 bigrams?
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Re: Route Transposition and Phenomenon

Postby smokie treats » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:35 pm

Jarlve wrote:
smokie treats wrote:How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.

I have not looked into it yet but does your method have a typical function besides revealing the herringbone pattern? Or did you find it with experimentation? How does it look for the 408?

Are there not 339 period 19 bigrams?


See the function below, which happens to show a herringbone pattern. The fact that these rows are evenly spaced freaks me out. It looks like a transparency of some kind. See on the left, the 340 P19 bigrams that have symbols that match P-16 bigrams, and on the right, the 340 P-16 bigrams that have symbols that match P19 bigrams. I made a big black box around a couple of examples.

discussion.4.11.2019.png

I will have to check the 408 when I get home, later. Maybe tommorrow morning. I would check all negative periods against P1, and highlight the cells of the spike. Good question.

321+19=340.

I didn't get a solve, but I think that you should be aware of it.
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