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Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 1:07 am
by Jarlve
Ok thanks smokie.

Sixth.

The 6-gram session has so far expanded symbols: 14,54,18,6,40,58
The 7-gram session has so far expanded symbols: 14,54,6,18,40,35

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smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[58])

Score: 19525.21 Ioc: 0.06224189 Entropy: 4.169858 Chi-square: 48.18193 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

scedstaketheguard
talitysomypinthes
mokingifijustsurn
themisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
ethedudeindouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimeiwouldjusts
lashinfromeverymo
undthentellyasimj
ustsmoralsoitsbec
kwhenthinkingthes
amptionistatrysuc
kedupastormisnota
waywonthoseiscont
railisupportihout
makeitoffbuddyits
givenevenarpantid
alloweenimplemywi
ntenthiswasanarbi

Multiplicity: 0.3823529 Characters: 340 Symbols: 130 Bigrams: 10/1400 Sequential: 5254/5277

21 46 1 35 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 113 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 129 91 13 5 17 105 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
25 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 106 23 47 62 56 23 114 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 35 115 41 68 35 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 116 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 130 37 95 27 32 51 117 28 21 25 55
32 62 8 47 118 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 119 53 23 26 32 120 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 107 13 121 25 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 108 10 49 81
12 128 35 27 40 36 9 25 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 109 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 110 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 111 49 51 60 122 102 24 21
86 17 112 38 56 1 123 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 124 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15

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smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 7-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[35])

Score: 18804.39 Ioc: 0.06479264 Entropy: 4.120534 Chi-square: 43.53093 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

scerstaketheguard
tilitysonyeinthea
moringifijustsurn
tothisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
ethedumpingouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimerwouldjusts
lashinfromeverymo
undthentellwasinj
ustamoralsoitsdec
kwhenthinkingthes
ametionistatrysuc
kedupastormisnota
waywinthoseiscont
railisareordihost
makeitoffbuddyits
likenevenareantic
alloweenimplemywi
ntenthiswasanarbi

Multiplicity: 0.3882353 Characters: 340 Symbols: 132 Bigrams: 10

21 46 1 129 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 105 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 58 91 13 5 17 117 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
25 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 118 23 47 62 56 23 106 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 130 107 41 68 131 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 108 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 58 37 95 27 32 51 109 28 21 25 55
32 62 8 47 110 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 111 53 23 26 32 112 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 119 13 113 25 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 120 10 49 81
12 128 132 27 40 36 9 25 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 121 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 122 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 123 49 51 60 114 102 24 21
86 17 124 38 56 1 115 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 116 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:19 pm
by doranchak

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:08 pm
by smokie treats
Jarlve wrote:Ok thanks smokie.

Sixth.

The 6-gram session has so far expanded symbols: 14,54,18,6,40,58
The 7-gram session has so far expanded symbols: 14,54,6,18,40,35

Code: Select all
smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[58])

Score: 19525.21 Ioc: 0.06224189 Entropy: 4.169858 Chi-square: 48.18193 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

scedstaketheguard
talitysomypinthes
mokingifijustsurn
themisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
ethedudeindouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimeiwouldjusts
lashinfromeverymo
undthentellyasimj
ustsmoralsoitsbec
kwhenthinkingthes
amptionistatrysuc
kedupastormisnota
waywonthoseiscont
railisupportihout
makeitoffbuddyits
givenevenarpantid
alloweenimplemywi
ntenthiswasanarbi

Multiplicity: 0.3823529 Characters: 340 Symbols: 130 Bigrams: 10/1400 Sequential: 5254/5277

21 46 1 35 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 113 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 129 91 13 5 17 105 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
25 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 106 23 47 62 56 23 114 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 35 115 41 68 35 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 116 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 130 37 95 27 32 51 117 28 21 25 55
32 62 8 47 118 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 119 53 23 26 32 120 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 107 13 121 25 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 108 10 49 81
12 128 35 27 40 36 9 25 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 109 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 110 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 111 49 51 60 122 102 24 21
86 17 112 38 56 1 123 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 124 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15

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smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 7-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[35])

Score: 18804.39 Ioc: 0.06479264 Entropy: 4.120534 Chi-square: 43.53093 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

scerstaketheguard
tilitysonyeinthea
moringifijustsurn
tothisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
ethedumpingouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimerwouldjusts
lashinfromeverymo
undthentellwasinj
ustamoralsoitsdec
kwhenthinkingthes
ametionistatrysuc
kedupastormisnota
waywinthoseiscont
railisareordihost
makeitoffbuddyits
likenevenareantic
alloweenimplemywi
ntenthiswasanarbi

Multiplicity: 0.3882353 Characters: 340 Symbols: 132 Bigrams: 10

21 46 1 129 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 105 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 58 91 13 5 17 117 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
25 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 118 23 47 62 56 23 106 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 130 107 41 68 131 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 108 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 58 37 95 27 32 51 109 28 21 25 55
32 62 8 47 110 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 111 53 23 26 32 112 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 119 13 113 25 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 120 10 49 81
12 128 132 27 40 36 9 25 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 121 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 122 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 123 49 51 60 114 102 24 21
86 17 124 38 56 1 115 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 116 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15


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Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:15 pm
by smokie treats
doranchak wrote:Smokie, how close is this? http://zodiackillerciphers.com/smokie33-plain.txt


Pretty close. Only a little more and you may get some context.

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:41 am
by Jarlve
Well done so far doranchak, how did you go about it?

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:42 am
by Jarlve
Seventh.

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smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[25])

Score: 19599.87 Ioc: 0.05913587 Entropy: 4.207908 Chi-square: 30.16583 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

lcedstaketheguard
tilitysomypanthes
mokingifijustsurr
oughisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
ethedudeandouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimeiwouldbulls
lashinfromeverymo
undthertellyasadj
ustsmorallyitsbec
kwhenthinkingthes
amptionistatrysuc
kedupasformisnota
wayworthoseiscont
railisupportihost
makeatoffbuddentl
yivenevenarpandid
alloweenimplemywa
rtenthiswasanarbi

Multiplicity: 0.3941177 Characters: 340 Symbols: 134

21 46 1 35 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 113 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 129 91 13 5 17 105 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
131 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 106 23 47 62 56 23 114 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 35 115 41 68 35 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 116 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 130 37 95 27 32 51 117 28 21 132 55
32 62 8 47 118 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 119 53 23 26 32 120 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 107 13 121 133 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 108 10 49 81
12 128 35 27 40 36 9 134 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 109 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 110 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 111 49 51 60 122 102 24 21
86 17 112 38 56 1 123 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 124 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15

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smokie33:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 7-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,1,[58])

Score: 18978.05 Ioc: 0.0656776 Entropy: 4.109552 Chi-square: 57.10537 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

scerstaketheguard
tilitysobyeinthes
mokingifijustsurn
thisisformicswhen
sethanthesamecaus
etheduckingouttoh
eellikeandhadtoan
attimeiwouldjusts
lashinfromeverymo
undthentellwasinj
ustsmoralsoitsnec
kwhenthinkingthes
ametionistatresuc
kedupastormisnota
waywonthoseiscont
railistheoryihost
makeitoffbuddyits
likenevenareantic
alloweenimplemywi
ntenthiswasanarci

Multiplicity: 0.3941177 Characters: 340 Symbols: 134 Bigrams: 10

21 46 1 129 10 33 2 50 11 63 30 26 105 27 39 57 51
23 125 34 15 33 4 10 16 90 4 7 41 52 19 47 61 22
48 42 133 91 13 5 17 117 20 59 28 55 24 8 49 57 53
25 64 65 66 15 10 43 16 44 45 17 46 55 67 92 93 52
55 118 23 47 62 56 23 106 38 9 39 48 38 94 126 49 55
26 31 30 1 51 27 130 107 41 68 131 42 28 31 19 69 30
11 26 34 34 70 12 26 2 56 71 108 62 60 24 16 36 13
3 33 23 20 48 61 134 37 95 27 32 51 109 28 21 25 55
32 62 8 47 110 52 43 57 72 48 61 73 38 44 4 45 16
49 56 127 33 74 111 53 23 26 32 112 96 2 8 41 97 59
27 55 23 22 48 42 57 98 75 21 76 15 19 9 77 1 46
50 78 30 61 52 24 47 17 13 12 119 13 113 25 79 80 10
2 48 7 23 15 16 52 17 8 24 39 23 44 120 10 49 81
12 128 132 27 40 36 9 25 42 44 45 17 10 56 42 33 3
99 39 4 37 82 53 23 83 16 10 11 17 10 46 121 13 31
84 2 20 32 15 55 100 58 7 16 57 101 17 47 16 85 23
48 122 50 38 41 23 16 43 43 123 49 51 60 114 102 24 21
86 17 124 38 56 1 115 87 52 2 57 7 88 56 25 17 35
3 116 103 16 89 38 1 56 17 29 104 32 1 45 18 37 41
53 33 26 56 23 47 14 10 54 2 9 39 52 3 57 6 15

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:35 am
by Jarlve
The eighth iteration had almost the same results and I decided to end the test and start another project on my solve machine.

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:18 am
by smokie treats
O.k. let me know if you need anything. I have been taking things very slow this week while contemplating my next project.

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:08 am
by doranchak
Jarlve wrote:Well done so far doranchak, how did you go about it?

I cheated. :D

Smokie identified which of your expanded symbols were correct (six of them so far). I combined that information with all his posts regarding which of your plaintext positions were correct. Then in zkdecrypto, I loaded the ciphertext with the six symbols expanded, and locked all the positions corresponding to the correct plaintext, and let zkdecrypto explore the rest of the key.

At this point, I think an exhaustive search is within reach (all selections of the two remaining polyalphabetic symbols). But it is not a good test, since it relies on cheating! :lol:

Without cheating, it is so easy for hillclimbers to get stuck in local optima since the multiplicity gets so high. I am wondering if a more sophisticated language model (such as markov chain or expectation maximization) would be more effective than simple ngram models.

Re: 340 wildcard experiment

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:13 am
by smokie treats
Do you guys want the key and the solution?