z340 z32 morse theory

[Marclean]

.. .- -- -.. -.- .. .-- .- -. - -.- .. .- -- . --. --- .- ... .- - .- -.
.. - --- --- .-- .- -. .- --. --- -- . -.. --- --. . - .- .-. . .- .-..
- . ... - ... . -. - -- . .- - .- .-.. .-.. --.. .-.. . - ... -- .- -. .- .. -
... -- . . - .-.. . - - . .-. -. . .-- -- -.. - --- ... . - -- .
.- .-.. .- -. . .-. ..- -. --. . ..-. - - -.. .. . ... -... .
.- -. ... .- -. - --. ... - --- . .-. --- -.- .- . -.- .-- .- - .- .. .-.
--- ..-. - .... . --- -. . --. --- .- ... -- .- -.. .. -- .-. . -. . .--

I AM DK I WANT KI A ME GO A SATAN !!! I TOO WANA GO ME DO GET A REAL TEST SENT ME AT ALL ...

....OF THE ONE GO AS MAD , IM RENEW!!

I liked the beginning and the end.
in the center, nothing interesting.
anyway. It's pretty boring, I say a word, and others disappear.
What I am seeking is sentences that relate to one another, and that ultimately makes sense at all.
as I have said before, start with
"I AM DK" and the end" IM RENEW", in terms of text, it is quite interesting (I think) because there is a linguistic beginning, in which confession "decay" and end "renew".
Marcelo

[glurk]

Marclean-

The problem here is that Morse is not a "binary" code. You cannot just treat it as DOT=0 and DASH=1.
It is a base 3 code, also known as "ternary." So you could basically say DOT=0, DASH=1 and SPACE=2.

So by trying to decode in this way, you are, by necessity, inserting the SPACES wherever you think they should go. And that really means that you are creating the message yourself. Even if you do not intend to. Here is a nice example I found on stackexchange.com:

The following are both plausible messages, but have a completely different meaning:

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SOS HELP      = ... --- ...  .... . .-.. .--.        => ...---.........-...--.
I AM HIS DATE = ..  .- --  .... .. ...  -.. .- - .   => ...---.........-...--.

Without other context, there is absolutely no way to know which decoding is correct. Another comment from the thread says:

Since ⋅ represents E and − represents T, any Morse message without spaces can be interpreted as a string in {E,T}∗

So the whole message might very well be something like "EEETTETEETEEETETEEETTTTEETTETTETETE" etc...

This might be a fun programming exercise for someone (not going to be me) but I think it is probably a waste of time as an approach to the Z ciphers. That said, carry on if you enjoy what you are doing. I don't really expect it will lead anywhere, though.

-glurk

EDIT: Speaking of SPACES - I found another good example from another post:

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SPACES = | ... | .--. | .- | -.-. | . | ... | = ....--..--.-.....
and
SWITCH = | ... | .-- | .. | - | -.-. | .... | = ....--..--.-.....

Same Morse sequence, but two different six-letter words. Here's a huge list of even more ambiguous words:
http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/march4 ... sults.html

[glurk]

Just to add to this, consider this one. Suppose you found:

I AM GOING TO KILL THEM WITH MY • – – • • –

Now, does that Morse mean "I am going to kill them with my ax" - implying murder? Or does it mean "I am going to kill them with my wit" - implying humor?

• – – • • – Decodes perfectly to both "AX" and "WIT." Without the correct spaces, there is absolutely no way to know which one is correct!

-glurk

[Marclean]

Just to add to this, consider this one. Suppose you found:

I AM GOING TO KILL THEM WITH MY • – – • • –

Now, does that Morse mean "I am going to kill them with my ax" - implying murder? Or does it mean "I am going to kill them with my wit" - implying humor?

• – – • • – Decodes perfectly to both "AX" and "WIT." Without the correct spaces, there is absolutely no way to know which one is correct!

-glurk

Yes, also I found myself with these issues.
The pauses between words are in fact, in one way or another "forced".
Furthermore, this would imply a message (which does not exist) shorter by using more symbols to certain letters.
ex = L ..-. (4)
Yes, the words such as MEET and GET are sisters in morse code
(-.. - / -. . -). As well as many others.
Yes, they appear other interesting words, and I know that if I asked that someone randomly put dots and dashes on paper, many words or short sentences appear.
As Doranchak said, "seeing pictures in the clouds"
And the "behavior" of the cipher by the way I'm doing just always accurate in the first 5 rows.
Glurk it all, I just have an observation.
I'm trying to force a solution, but with good intentions (not a fake solution), then see the original code if there is a pattern that demarcates breaks. It would be like break the lock to find the door key (not sure this metaphor is clear)

Otherwise, I observed that perhaps only the beginning is correct ...
maybe the rest (272) is normal cipher.
sorry if you look me like a fool, but that's what I think in it all

I am very grateful even for analysis and criticism Glurk
As I have been saying Sinatra : "I did it my way."

[glurk]

Marclean-

I have no ill will towards you, and I have said that. If this is a hobby that you enjoy, have fun. But when you say:

I'm trying to force a solution, but with good intentions (not a fake solution)

That is the real problem. Good intentions or bad, at least you admit that you are trying to force it. The moment that you start trying to FORCE a solution instead of just trying to FIND one is where the problems arise.

There are many "solutions" that people have found for Z340. And most of them, in my opinion, are forced. Sometimes people fall into the trap of thinking they are solving something with good intentions, but they don't realize that they are actually making it up themselves.

Again, I mean no insult. I just have been around these ciphers for a long time and have to speak my honest opinion when I see the same thing being done over and over.

Best regards to you. I just think that you have fallen into that common trap.

-glurk

[Marclean]

Glurk absolutely I never will feel offended by you I Doranchak because admire the work and recognize the skills and experience that you and others have around the subject.
I have Zkdecripto as my favorite hobby (like webtoy of doranchak) try in Spanish. Even thought about putting together a dictionary LATIN but is very labor intensive. I have training in LATIN .And as you know, the Portuguese is the son of LATIN. (But that's another story)
Actually what I like most is to see and hear my ten year old son learning to play the guitar (it really very proud of me).
I expressed me think bad about "force a solution."
I just want to try to see if there is a viable way in which, after the sum of sentences occurs a complete message, this post see if there are demarcations such as the Z340 + - or. clarifying something.
I know that at the end of it all, even if I find something, will not be valid.
again grateful
Marcelo

[Marclean]

A short example (Z18), of course it is not a solution.

.- --. . - -. .- -- . .- -.
A GET NAME AN
or A MEET NAME AN
or A MI GAME AN
etc .



I find it curious at least. (In view of the context)

Yes, I know, it's mere coincidence

[Marclean]

Updating my BS theory.
I thought cool, just karmann (or is it fate of karma, that is on the car), the rest at least some sense stretches, but no big deal.
original:
.. .- -- -.. -.- .. .-- .- -. - -.- .. .- -- .
--. --- .- ... .- - .- -.
.. - --- --- .-- .- -. .-
--. --- -- . -.. --- --. . - .- .-. . .- .-..
- . ... - ... . - .- -- . .-- .- .-.. .-..
-- .. .-.. .-.. .- -. -- . . - ..- ... -- .. -. -.. .-- . ..-.---.....
--....----..--.-.---.....-...--.--....-
.---........-....
.--.....--.---...

.----..-.----.
-.- .- .-. -- .- -. -. .. -. --- .. -. -.. .. . - ---
.. --. --- .- ... -- .- -..
.. -- .-. . -. . .--


IAMDKIWANTKIAMEGOASATANITOOWANAGOMEDOGETAREALTESTSETAMEWALLMILLANMEETUSMINDWE#####KARMANNINOINDIETOIGOASMADIMRENEW

or

I AM DK.
I WANT KI A ME GO A SATAN, I TOO WANA GO ME DO GET A REAL TEST .
SET A ME WALL MILL , AN MEET US MIND WE.. KARMANN . I NO IN DIE TO , I GO AS MAD. IM RENEW

Marcelo

[Marclean]

OR
I AM DK !! I WANT KI A ME GO A SATAN !! I TOO WANA GO ME DO GET A REAL TEST . SENT ME AT ALL , Z LETS ME MEET US MIND , AN IT A MIST BE TO U !!!
IN DIE TO I GO AS MAD . IM RENEW
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.. - --- --- .-- .- -. .-
--. --- -- . -.. --- --. . - .- .-. . .- .-..
- . ... - ... . -. - -- . .- - .- .-.. .-..
--.. .-.. . - ... -- . --. . - ..- ... -- .. -. -.. .- -. .. - .- -- .. ... - -... . - --- ..- -.-.--- .....-...--.--....-
.---........-....
.--.....--.---...

.----..-.----.
-.- .- .-. -- .- -. -. .. -. --- .. -. -.. .. . - ---
.. --. --- .- ... -- .- -..
.. -- .-. . -. . .--
Marcelo Morselo

[Marclean]

I AM DK .I WANT KI A ME GO A SATAN . I TOO WANA GO ME DO TO ART MAP ON TO LETTER . NOW IT GO AT NEXT WAGE . MET A GET TAW DIE . ME I AM DATA A GET MAG LOKE . IM TO Q (KILL) ONE TO N LAME TO FONT . ARKY LET A GET LIE ON A TAG DAYS AT RENEW

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 -. --- .-- .. - --. --- .- - -. . -..- - .-- .- --. .
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-. .- - .- --. -.. .- -.-- ... .- - .-. . -. . .--

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html