Zodiac cypher " my name is"

[bigdoug]

Hi my name is Doug and I may have stumbled across the identity of the Zodiac in the Cypher where he claims "my name is".
First, lets assume the Zodiac was not one of the main suspects, even if he was and with all the computer programs of all the Zodiac slueths from around the world working on this for over 40 plus years all we have is GYKE ? Well thats not it!
Zodiac has eluded authorities for all this time so there is NO WAY he was going to put his name in any cypher having his very first one de coded.
So every cypher since has been so hard no one has worked out their meaning.
Had the SFPD kept it a secret that the first one was broken he may have kept all the others at that level and he would have been caught!
I beleive he gave his profession rather than his name!
The Cypher was.
" A E N (Zodiac Sign) ¤ K ¤ M ¤ _I_ N A M "
A = I E =C N=P (ZSign) =O ¤ (3) =A K=E M = M
_I_ =L Second N = N A = I M = M
Now Zodiac rearranged or jumbled up the letters.
Now Rearrange the 13 letters into this sequence.
A goes into position 1 and 8
E goes into position 9
First N goes into pos.5
Zodiac sign into pos 6
¤ (3 of these symbols) into 2 4 12
K goes into position 10
M into position 3 and 11
_I_ goes into pos.7
The second N into position 13.
Now convert the cypher to the corresponding letters I beleive
They represent and the Zodiac code reads.
I AM A POLICEMAN.
He would have been protected by his badge and may have used it to his advantage and if he was ever discovered by the SFPD it was covered up to protect the department?
He would have had opportunity to get different weopons and put them back in the station house undetected.
He was too clever to give his real name as after 40 years its still not known. Maybe he was overlooked for a promotion and Toschi got it? (just a thought) so he taunted the SFPD by becoming Zodiac. Its just a theory!

[morf13]

Weelcome BigDoug, looking forward to what Doranchak, Glurk, and the other cipher enthusiasts have to say

[Paul_Averly]

A while back we were talking about "forced solutions."

...and this is a great example of one of those.

[glurk]

A while back we were talking about "forced solutions."

...and this is a great example of one of those.

I agree. I wasn't even going to post on this at all. Some solutions may have some merit and are worthy of further discussion. This is not one.

-glurk

[Jarlve]

Welcome to the forum bigdoug.

The problem with these small ciphers is that even without rearrangements you already have millions (if not more) of stuff that fits with simple substitution. After transposition, rearrangements, etc...

Also your key is not straightforward substitution, you allow the "N" symbol to map to different letters, polyalphabetism, which allows for even more options.

A=I (times 2)
E=C
N=P
ZSign=O
¤=A (times 3)
K=E
M=M (times 2)
_I_=L
Second N=N

[traveller1st]

Thanks for taking the bait anyway paul & glurk. I wasn't going to post on it either. I just moved it from the suspects section where it was originally posted.

In the interest of public health and safety I do want to add thanks for the attempt doug. It may appear dishearteningly dismissive in the replies but they are based on extensive knowledge in this area and years of experience honed by many, many such attempts and suggested solutions. Not just with the z13 but the other ciphers as well. That includes a lot of stuff I've tortured them with lol.

I do think most people would agree with you that it's highly probable it's not 'his' name. He had already stated he "would not give" it in the z408. The reality is unfortunately the z13 is too short to break conventionally (even with 'puters) so until we find a verifiable and testable solution the kind of solution you have suggested here is, as paul said, forced. Once you start rearranging things you're pretty much on a losing track. I even think the context of your 'solution' here is unlikely. If he won't give his name (a no-brainer prerequisite behavior for any serial killer) he's not going to give his profession either is he? At least not a normal, everyday one.

Names, possible names and possible profession titles he has given or used are:

(Names)
The Zodiac
a friend
A Citizen
The Red Phantom
Your Secret Pal
Yours Truely (meaning Zodiac)
rh

(Implied Names)
Ko-Ko

(Professions)
Killer
Murderer

(Implied Professions)
The Lord High Executioner of Titipu

Basically all allusions to his fantastical notions of identity or descriptive terms of his 'activities'. So, if there even is a solution to the z13 it 'might' be more of the same.

P.S. Thank you Jarlve also for chipping in with a technical reply

[Susie]

A while back we were talking about "forced solutions."

...and this is a great example of one of those.

I agree. I wasn't even going to post on this at all. Some solutions may have some merit and are worthy of further discussion. This is not one.

-glurk

Welcome bigdoug and I'm sorry for the initial response you received, such as the two above. There are a lot of theories on these sites that I don't agree with; however rather than being a jerk about it I try to be respectful of other people's thoughts. Responses like these are why so many people are afraid to post on sites. There are people who have a lot more knowledge about the case and have been spending years on it, but newsflash no one has solve the case. So rather than being disrespectful to other people who are making attempts maybe you should explain to them why you don't think their theories are accurate. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about people's theories but there is something wrong with being rude. If you feel that strongly that a theory is far off then maybe you should just keep your mouth shut rather than discouraging people from making attempts.

[Paul_Averly]

My opinion is that 1 + 1 = 13.

I will now use this information to accuse an innocent person of being a serial killer that murdered at least 5 people.

It's my theory, do not be disrespectful to it!

[Susie]

My opinion is that 1 + 1 = 13.

I will now use this information to accuse an innocent person of being a serial killer that murdered at least 5 people.

It's my theory, do not be disrespectful to it!

There was not a suspect name in Doug's post. Yes it appears he has someone in mind, but he's not listing and call out an innocent person. You have no idea what other info he may have and knocking their possibilities will not get you there. Personally speaking I don't think there is a solution to the cypher. I think there's a message in it but I also think that there is not a real key. I think that zodiac got his ego hurt by the first one being solved so quickly that he decided that although there is a message in it no one will be able to break it. That doesn't mean that I'm right or that I'm not interested in hearing other peoples thoughts.

[Paul_Averly]

Here are a few

Personally speaking I don't think there is a solution to the cypher. I think there's a message in it but I also think that there is not a real key. I think that zodiac got his ego hurt by the first one being solved so quickly that he decided that although there is a message and it no one will be able to break it.

There are plenty of valid solutions to this cipher, here are a couple:
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/ind ... _Solutions

But with a lack of data (only 13 symbols) even valid solutions cannot be proven definitive.