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Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:55 pm
by jroberson
I think you guys totally failed to understand what I said: there are no letters about which you do not know at least something. You mention letters that are referred to in already-released FBI documents, but that's not the same as letters you imagine might exist but about which you have no information whatsoever. You know, like thinking there are other extant genuine Zodiac letters beyond what we already have and know exist.

Perhaps its my fault. Probably should have explained myself with a greater degree of precision and depth. Didn't have the time, TBH.

I wholeheartedly apologize.

As for the FBI...if they haven't released some letter mentioned in some file, it's probably (almost certainly) because they no longer possess (or can locate) the actual letter, and IMO, such letter(s), if ever found, would not prove to be from the one and only The Zodiac.

JMO.

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:36 am
by morf13
Some FBI FOIA requests failed because, the requested documents could not be located, and some failed because releasing them could 'potentially harm or interfere with an ongoing investigation',or something to that extent. So in some cases, the FBI found the stuff requested, but would not release it.

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:03 pm
by Soze
Tahoe27 wrote:Was there ever money on his head? I was trying to remember, but I don't think I have ever read about a Zodiac reward. Maybe he was hoping this letter would instigate one.


There was. The kids at the local high school in Vallejo offered a 1000 reward.

Soze

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:11 pm
by Soze
morf13 wrote:You're wrong, there ARE other questioned Z letters and documents out there, we know this because of the FBI files that mention them. We don't know if they pertain to this subject or not, but there certainly are other documents that the FBI can not release or can not locate. Some that come to my mind are, a letter that reads 'joker and the riddler', 'in the woods dies April', a letter and cassette tape found in a phone booth, and one allegedly sent to the director of the CA DMV. FOIA requests have gotten us many of the ones you see on this site, but there are others


I also like the one about C Harry Ott.

Soze

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:45 pm
by morf13
Soze wrote:
morf13 wrote:You're wrong, there ARE other questioned Z letters and documents out there, we know this because of the FBI files that mention them. We don't know if they pertain to this subject or not, but there certainly are other documents that the FBI can not release or can not locate. Some that come to my mind are, a letter that reads 'joker and the riddler', 'in the woods dies April', a letter and cassette tape found in a phone booth, and one allegedly sent to the director of the CA DMV. FOIA requests have gotten us many of the ones you see on this site, but there are others


I also like the one about C Harry Ott.

Soze


There was a longtime Napa area resident named HARRY OTT,I even looked into the possibility that C HARRY OTT, may actually read as, SEE HARRY OTT.

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:18 pm
by capricorn
Could C Harry Ott have been "chariot" disguised and if so, what possible meaning could it have? OR "Harry Cott? "haricot" (Fr. for "bean")...just thoughts that came to mind...also, C Harry is close to "cherry."

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:18 pm
by Tahoe27
Soze wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:Was there ever money on his head? I was trying to remember, but I don't think I have ever read about a Zodiac reward. Maybe he was hoping this letter would instigate one.


There was. The kids at the local high school in Vallejo offered a 1000 reward.

Soze


Yes, but I think that was before Zodiac actually came into the mix. There was a reward associated with Donna Lass as well.

I don't recall every seeing anything on "Zodiac's" head in an official capacity.

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:36 pm
by Soze
Tahoe27 wrote:
Soze wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:Was there ever money on his head? I was trying to remember, but I don't think I have ever read about a Zodiac reward. Maybe he was hoping this letter would instigate one.


There was. The kids at the local high school in Vallejo offered a 1000 reward.

Soze


Yes, but I think that was before Zodiac actually came into the mix. There was a reward associated with Donna Lass as well.

I don't recall every seeing anything on "Zodiac's" head in an official capacity.


Hmm. Forgot about Donna Lass. Thanks. And you are right. Nothing on an official capacity.

Soze.

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:36 pm
by Soze
morf13 wrote:
There was a longtime Napa area resident named HARRY OTT,I even looked into the possibility that C HARRY OTT, may actually read as, SEE HARRY OTT.


Agree. I think maybe I might need to revisit any threads on the subject.

Soze

Re: Can't quit thinking about one line.....

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:04 pm
by Soze
morf13 wrote:
There was a longtime Napa area resident named HARRY OTT,I even looked into the possibility that C HARRY OTT, may actually read as, SEE HARRY OTT.


Morf,

Correct me if I am wrong because, I have not reread the material on this yet but, wasn't the "c Harry ott" in relation to JFK? Something tells me it was.

Have you given thought to perhaps looking at this in terms of what the name "ott" has to do with JFK instead of perhaps looking for people of the time? I found a William f. Ott who married a Sarah a. Kennedy. She looks to tie back to the line JFK extends from (on a surface scratch). I have dug into William a little but not found a Harry. I do recall seeing a Charles Harry but I cant say that it was tied to William's line. Looked at so much. Also, in relation to the "times 3 or some variation of that ", I wonder if it might mean 3 in a series like sr., Jr. And III?

Soze