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Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:49 am
by glurk
What really confuses me is that the VTH letter says "2 parts have been mailed" and the other two SF letters say "2 parts are being mailed."

Logically, one would think he wrote and completed all 3, and mailed them all at the same time (?) I don't know.

I can't even guess at this, really, it makes my head hurt thinking about it.

-glurk

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:47 pm
by traveller1st
mike_r wrote:Hi-

I have been thinking just that all morning. The only thing that was bothering me is that he wrote the back of the Chronicle letter with the same thick pen he used for the front. I was imagining that had he decided a day or whatever later to add a second side to that letter, so as to describe his idea of breaking up the code in three, then why didn't he use the same pen he was using to write the other two letters for the second side of the Chronicle letter? If he had misplaced the thick one after making his decision and only had the thin one he used on the VTH and Examiner letters, why didn't he write the second side of the Chronicle letter with the thin one? Conversely, if he had both available to him, why didn't he write the other two letters with the same pen he used for the Chronicle letter?

However, note that in the VTH and Examiner letters, the references to the cipher are on the FIRST page of each. In the Chron letter, he does not reference the cipher until the back of the letter. So that could have been an add-on idea after he had written the original Chron letter. I wonder if he originally planned to use the "O" in "Over" to make his symbol but changed gears after writing the letter and decided to include the cipher, so he just converted it to the word "Over." ;)

A bit perplexing.

Mike


I apologize if others have suggested this interpretation already in this thread but I'm being lazy and these are my thoughts on this question.

Firstly I would be wary of pen thicknesses when it comes to the VTH letter. From my POV the VTH letter as we see it is a duplicate and as such it's not accurately possible to compare pen thicknesses with the other two letters. In all likelihood what we see with the VTH letter may be close so we could guess but there's a rounding and a blurring on the characters that suggest to me that we have copy bleed so we could be seeing a reduction of a thicker pen stroke through copying or a distortion of a thinner pen stroke or both.

A minor point maybe but pertinent if we use it to ascertain order.

As for the Over. I'm not an expert of the finer points of letter construction but it would seem to me that this defines a break in information flow. At least in this communication. So, since the initial information ends on page one there would be a need for the Over to be included as it could appear that the information ends at the bottom of the first page, This is not so with the other two letters which do not conclude so neatly at the bottom of the first page so you could then be compelled to turn the letter over and find the remainder.

This is almost a mute point though in practicality as it would be human nature to check the other side and there would be show-through, as we've seen evidence of. So, the purpose of the over is a splitting of information. It may be at this point, the completion of the second page of the first letter, that the show-through was evident in all it's glory to the author, hence then lack of need to include such an instruction on the remaining letters.

That's why I would think and agree with others, that the Chron letter was written first.

Also to corroborate this splitting of information, he actually draws a line on the other two letters to do just that. What the end of the page had accomplished in the first letter was later replaced by a dividing line due to the fore-shortening of the information on the page. Another reason to suspect that the Chron came first as it was more considered concerning use of space.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:36 pm
by 4weed
The Chron letter is the key he states it is the first of the three cipher's being sent, it also states that this one in particular cipher has his identity in it. I 'am working on a different approach to these ciphers. I don't think they are as complex as he wanted people to think I believe the only message delivered in the three ciphers are in the first one and are his name or at least initials of his name and that the rest is just fodder for confusion used to hide his identity.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:38 am
by Welsh Chappie
I think the letter and it's author are telling the truth when it claims "In this Cipher is my Identity". I think the Cipher is one deliberately meant to obfuscate. The Cipher when decoded reveals a completely useless rant about slaves in an afterlife.
This is just my opinion but I think there is probably something pointing to his identity that is encoded with the decoded cipher itself, weather its a rail fence type Cipher message or Running Key type of encryption I have no idea as I am the completely useless when It comes to the ciphers and decoding them.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:58 am
by morf13
Welsh Chappie wrote:I think the letter and it's author are telling the truth when it claims "In this Cipher is my Identity". I think the Cipher is one deliberately meant to obfuscate. The Cipher when decoded reveals a completely useless rant about slaves in an afterlife.
This is just my opinion but I think there is probably something pointing to his identity that is encoded with the decoded cipher itself, weather its a rail fence type Cipher message or Running Key type of encryption I have no idea as I am the completely useless when It comes to the ciphers and decoding them.



He said his IDENTITY is in the cipher,NOT his name. Maybe theres a clue in there?

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:45 am
by Welsh Chappie
morf13 wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:I think the letter and it's author are telling the truth when it claims "In this Cipher is my Identity". I think the Cipher is one deliberately meant to obfuscate. The Cipher when decoded reveals a completely useless rant about slaves in an afterlife.
This is just my opinion but I think there is probably something pointing to his identity that is encoded with the decoded cipher itself, weather its a rail fence type Cipher message or Running Key type of encryption I have no idea as I am completely useless when It comes to the Cipher's and decoding them.



He said his IDENTITY is in the cipher,NOT his name. Maybe theres a clue in there?


That's exactly what I thought. The wording is important.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:27 pm
by StitchMallone
He does mention forrest in it so maybe he was a Forest Ranger and that is his identity. Or he has given his name Forest Whitaker or Gump I don't know.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:37 pm
by Welsh Chappie
The Cipher is very clever if he's done what I suspect he has.

When the code is decrypter and the message becomes viaible what is the first thing everyone is going to be aware of? His name not being in the deciphered message. Everyone gets disappointed and lose hope of any breakthrough via the Text because the Cipher part of this mystery has been deciphered and no name is there. What if there is a encrypted message hidden not only under the Cipher itself that was cracked, but the real encrypted stuff of importance is actually in the deciphered text itself somewhere. A chipher within a Cipher.

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:42 pm
by Welsh Chappie
I mean the whole Idea of a cipher is to encrypt and encode a message of vast importance to you and this information in the hands of then enemy would be deadly and disasterous. Yet what is it he appears to have taken a lot of time and effort to try and keep it concealed for its importance? "I like killing people - Slaves collection mission - Afterlife...Narnia like place called 'Paradice'.

Now what would you go to all that trouble and bother to encipher that load of crap for? I would say..... He hasn't, not for that message anyway!

Re: WHY IS CHRON LETTER DIFFERENT?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:38 pm
by joku
Welsh Chappie wrote:
morf13 wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:I think the letter and it's author are telling the truth when it claims "In this Cipher is my Identity". I think the Cipher is one deliberately meant to obfuscate. The Cipher when decoded reveals a completely useless rant about slaves in an afterlife.
This is just my opinion but I think there is probably something pointing to his identity that is encoded with the decoded cipher itself, weather its a rail fence type Cipher message or Running Key type of encryption I have no idea as I am completely useless when It comes to the Cipher's and decoding them.


He said his IDENTITY is in the cipher,NOT his name. Maybe theres a clue in there?


That's exactly what I thought. The wording is important.


Yes. The way I've thought about it is that he only states that the cipher contains his identity. Identity can mean several things and Zodiac seems to simply go with the concept of explaining what makes him The Zodiac.

He does not at any point say that the cipher contains his actual legal given name. The way he has worded this whole thing is very ambiguous, on purpose I bet. He tricks people into thinking the cipher will reveal his social security number or something, and gets a good laugh out of thinking about everyone trying to solve it.

I've personally come to the conclusion that the final garbled part of the cipher is just filler, or perhaps some anagram (the most sensible one I came up with so far was 'here be epithet I omit'). Like he states, he will not give out his real name - one of the few things I believe Zodiac actually was truthful about.

(I also find the Chronicle letter especially interesting due to the ink that is running out. One can see where he has maybe stopped to think when writing, and the pen has rejuvenated a bit. I wonder if LE ever considered the possibility mentioned by Tahoe about Zodiac possibly having dabbed the pen on his tongue?)