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Soze wrote:

Quicktrader wrote:
I believe Scott Newhall was the editor of the Chronicle.
Wyman Riley was editor of Vallejo Times-Herald.
Unable to find editor of San Francisco Examiner beyond Jack Doughty in 1967.

Soze

"Riley was the first chairman of the Vallejo Chamber of Commerce Maritime Academy Committee. He has been a member (..) of the Solano County Probation Committee since 1954" (..) member of the St. Mary's College Alumni Association (..)."

https://csum-dspace.calstate.edu/bitstr ... sequence=2

To the editor..

Here is a 722p interview with Scott Newhall, one may want to search for specific terms e.g. Vallejo, Herb Caen, etc..a lot of background information such as the relationship between Herb Caen and Paul Clifford Smith in it ('shared some equal psychic problems'..).
http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/r ... whrich.pdf

QT

Riley was member of the St Mary's college alumni association? As in St Mary's college in Contra Costa? Now that's interesting.

Don't know anything about this Paul Clifford Smith and will need to look into that. I will tell you something I found interesting about Scott Newhall. Syar industries up the road from lake Herman was founded in the 40's. The people who owned the land prior to Syar was a family with the last name of Hastings. They leased out the land for the purpose of mineral recovery and it was known as the Hasting's mine. This is not to be confused with the Hasting's mine that had a massive explosion killing 120 something people and owned by the Victor-American fuel company backed by Rockefeller of Standard Oil fame. This Hasting's mine was leased out to the White Investment Company owned by the George Almer Newhall family. George Almer Newhall was 3rd grand uncle to Scott Newhall. I don't know, specifically, when the white investment company reached its demise but it was run by the newhall family as a whole until that time. I suspect that it was in the 30's. Some time around that time there was an explosion at the mine that killed two people. This mine explosion drained the lake at blue Rock springs that was known at the time as Vallejo Sulfur Springs. An earlier name was White Sulfur Springs. The location of the springs is where the golf course of Vallejo (the one named by the Zodiac) sits today.

While the two Hasting's mines should not be confused with each other in terms of California, given Rockefeller, I wouldn't be surprised if the two Hasting's mines were connected via the same Hasting's family.

Correction: I stated above that George Almer Newhall was Scott's 3rd grand uncle. I had it in my system wrong. He is actually Scott's 2nd grand uncle.

Soze

Wyman Riley's birth name was Thomas Wyman Riley born February 9, 1915 in King County Washington to Fenwick Centennial Riley and Marguerite Grace Daly.

Riley married Phyllis Marjorie Western in 1938. She also went by her middle name, Marjorie.

On the 1940 US Census they were both living in Napa and had a 9 month old daughter. He was a news editor on that census and it gives his place of residence in 1935 as St. Mary's CA.

The 1969 Vallejo Polk's Directory lists Wyman and Marjorie as living at 720 Georgia St Vallejo.

Thomas Wyman Riley died October 17, 1988 in Solano County CA.

Phyllis Marjorie (Western) Riley died September 9, 2009 in Vallejo CA.

Seagull wrote:Wyman Riley's birth name was Thomas Wyman Riley born February 9, 1915 in King County Washington to Fenwick Centennial Riley and Marguerite Grace Daly.

Just for reference purpose I believe the city was Seattle. Thank you for mentioning Fenwick's middle name. I have been making the assumption that his middle name was Charles. His father had the same name but with the middle name Charles. His father, by the way, was from Chippewa Wisconsin. I found some Riley's in that area during the time of Fenwick's father's birth, unfortunately, i don't know who Fenwick's father's father was. I have an idea from deductive reasoning but nothing as fact. It would be very important to me if you somehow know that answer or are capable of locating it.

Seagull wrote:Riley married Phyllis Marjorie Western in 1938. She also went by her middle name, Marjorie.

On the 1940 US Census they were both living in Napa and had a 9 month old daughter. He was a news editor on that census and it gives his place of residence in 1935 as St. Mary's CA.

The 1969 Vallejo Polk's Directory lists Wyman and Marjorie as living at 720 Georgia St Vallejo.

Thomas Wyman Riley died October 17, 1988 in Solano County CA.

Phyllis Marjorie (Western) Riley died September 9, 2009 in Vallejo CA.

One of Riley's daughter's, may be the one you mention, incidentally, was living in San Rafael at some point. Sorry, right now when it comes to Riley, I am only making mental notes and not writing any of this down. I probably need to start. Anyway, I just thought that was interesting.


I am curious:

I am making the assumption here that there was no St. Mary's California as it relates to a city. Obviously the reference would be to the college. If I am not mistaken Riley went to college some place else and so did his wife. Why does he have his address as the college?

Soze

Combing the records at Ancestry I found two similar but different names for Fenwick's father.

Here's his death record.



This is a 1880 US Census where Fenwick's name is spelled Fennick but I believe it's the correct person because of the age, location and mother's first name. The census information is only as good as the enumerator can tabulate it as well as the person who transcribes it for the records at Ancestry.

Wyman Riley was in the 1938 graduating class of St. Mary's College as related in this 1960 VTH newspaper clipping.

https://csum-dspace.calstate.edu/bitstr ... sequence=2

Also if you do a search for, Wyman Riley St. Mary's College, there are a number of hits for him at e-yearbook with pages from the 1938 St. Mary's College yearbook.

Seagull, sorry for the late reply. Thank you for taking the time to look into the father's info. I didn't make the connection I had hoped. I think the name "Matthias" is probably the more correct of the two. I found a Matthias living in the same area in 1850 logging for a lumber company. Given Fenwick's career it would seem logging has been in the family for 100 years. This Matthias is not the same Matthias as you provided but thinking maybe it was his father. I did see two names in conjunction with this Matthias, Micheal and john (also a logger for the same company), that were tied to land holdings later held by the Anna Burt we see from the 1880 info. I am thinking they are brothers to the elder Matthias. While I didn't make the connection I had hoped I do believe the connection is right around the corner.Thank you.

I started writing all this stuff down after finding out that Wyman attended St. Mary's. As you may recall I made the determination that the Phillips 66 code solves to Christian Brothers St. Mary's College via trilateration. You may not remember that I had also suggested that the bus bomb correlated to streets in San Francisco relating to the areas of Anza Vista and the park Buena Vista (don't have the info in front of me to be exact). Anyway, the junction box that the supposed mirrors connect to, correlates to St. Mary's Hospital on a map. I don't know. At this point I am just wondering what his (the Zodiac) deal was with St. Mary's.

I am not sure which as, at the time, I wasn't writing this down but one of the Fenwick's (thinking the father) was a member of the Sierra Club. Just thought that interesting.

Soze

Soze, I finally went to the library to look up the editor info for the Examiner and Chronicle. I did not have any luck finding the editor for the Examiner. To recap, the SF Chronicle and SF Examiner published jointly on Sundays, I was hoping that there would be something in the Sunday paper that named the editors of both newspapers. The library I go to has only the SF Chronicle including the combined Sunday edition but not the daily Examiner.

This was the only thing I could find that was in the neighborhood of what you wanted, lower left corner-



This is the editor info for the SF Chronicle. Looks like Charles De Young Thieriot was the publisher and editor. Upper right corner-

Thank you for taking the time to check. I did phone the Chronicle myself in hopes of gaining the info that way but it seems their offices are all automated with answering machines at every terminating point. I wasn't sure which office was the right office to ask my question so I never left a message. I might try again this week. I did see where a July 1969 paper was being sold on eBay. I may try contacting the seller and ask them for the editor/publisher name. The paper is cheap enough that if I don't receive a response I will just buy it and hope it's there.

Soze