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Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:10 am
by onewhoknows
Personally, I feel Sandy Betts is telling the truth. I believe her story about the costume and weird small items left in her car.
I believe he stalked her. It just smacks of Zodiac. I lived in the East Bay Area for 25 years, I know the places Sandy speaks of, the bars and the restaurants.
Sandy Betts may even have evidence that should be tested for DNA.
Sandy, write out each story as you remember them, and then put them in time order. Memories come as they choose, not always in time
order. When you remember something write it down, if even by hand.
I have begun to work on my own Zodiac website, and since I am local, I would like to focus on documenting by film locations and witnesses.
I would very much like to do a live interview with you Sandy when I am in the Bay Area again.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:43 pm
by sandy betts
Thank you Onewhoknows, very much for the kind words, I would love to meet you when you are in town. You are welcome to stay at my home if you like, I can show you all of the crime scenes if you haven't been to them yet ? Thank goodness there are others like you who believe and trust in me, that keeps me going. It takes about 7 hrs to tell my story , I don't expect you to have to listen that long LOL. When you do come to visit , you can listen to the phone calls I have taped of my suspect saying different things to me . In some of them he pertends to be someone else, but the voice is the same. Maybe we will get lucky and he comes by ? Don't worry I have a bigger and better gun that he has and I am a better shot. Also there is well hidden high tech security around my home, so you will be safe. I say well hidden , because he found where they were and broke all of them. The new system I have now Now, will show him and tape it.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:11 am
by traveller1st
Holy crap Sandy lol.

I would suggest going old school. Fire pits, boiling oil etc. Apparently though that's frowned upon and they called those times the dark ages? :D

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:19 pm
by sandy betts
traveller1st wrote:Holy crap Sandy lol.

I would suggest going old school. Fire pits, boiling oil etc. Apparently though that's frowned upon and they called those times the dark ages? :D


LOL, Back in the day when he would climb the fence and get into my back yard , I did some Rambo like things, that I am sure I would be in trouble for doing, if caught. I know he slipped on something that was put there because I could see the marks in the dirt. His shoe prints were 13 inches long and pretty wide, If I remember right, they were 4 inches wide at the widest part.
He once unscrewed the automatic sensor light over my patio, put mudd to cover my peep hole on the front door. Some of the clues he would leave for me, I still don't understan ? One was he used either a stick or gun barrel to ( Because that was the size of the 2 inch deep holes) it was *** *** *** ? Can anyone think of what that could mean ? I know it adds up to 3, 6 , 9 or a total of 18 , could it be morse code ?

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:27 pm
by joedetective
It's difficult to understand why law enforcement is not taking you seriously and looking into this. If I had to experience all those instances and be ignored by police, I'd take my story to the media. Have you tried that? I mean, if they're running stories like the recent Louise Myers confession, then why wouldn't your story, which can be backed up with evidence, and others also affected by it, be in the news. I admit I find some of what's happened to you over the years confusing. I just started reading your thread though. I hate to say it but I never bothered to read it because I've always been leery of people who claim to have an actual history or, for lack of a better word, relationship with Z. I mean, it's out of this world crazy, this stuff, but that doesn't mean it's untrue. I have a million questions. I think if you fleshed out these events, laid them out coherently and chronologically, you'd have a bestselling book. I know if I were a publisher, I'd publish it.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:31 pm
by joedetective
Why do you think he's zeroed in on you?

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:36 pm
by capricorn
Sandy, I believe your story too and would love to meet you someday and spend the time it takes as I completely understand. You can't portray something like this that has gone on for years in an hour or two accurately.

I am curious about why LE hasn't taken your evidence to examine especially since IIRC you were friendly with some of the officers. If they ignore you, why would anyone else who might have a similar story to tell bother trying to report it if there is even a place to do so now?

You are very gracious to open your door to strangers who are interested in visiting. I'm wondering if you've ever had any bad experiences by doing this. Be careful and I'm glad to know you have a good security system.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:46 pm
by sandy betts
joedetective wrote:It's difficult to understand why law enforcement is not taking you seriously and looking into this. If I had to experience all those instances and be ignored by police, I'd take my story to the media. Have you tried that? I mean, if they're running stories like the recent Louise Myers confession, then why wouldn't your story, which can be backed up with evidence, and others also affected by it, be in the news. I admit I find some of what's happened to you over the years confusing. I just started reading your thread though. I hate to say it but I never bothered to read it because I've always been leery of people who claim to have an actual history or, for lack of a better word, relationship with Z. I mean, it's out of this world crazy, this stuff, but that doesn't mean it's untrue. I have a million questions. I think if you fleshed out these events, laid them out coherently and chronologically, you'd have a bestselling book. I know if I were a publisher, I'd publish it.


Thanks Joe, It just sounds too good to be true is what I think ? There have been so many kooks that claim to know who Zodiac is and have lied about having evidence, to sell CD's or books, that I think I get thrown in to the same pile of Bull S==ters as the rest of them. The cops and DA's I have dated had nothing to do with the Z case, so they couldn't help me. One DA however did show one of the notes my suspect gave to me, to his handwriting expert. That expert said the note was too much like the Z's printing to be his . (Meaning someone wanted me to think it was from Zodiac.) The problem with that is if this so called" expert" would have looked closely at the writing he would have noticed it was written fast, not like someone trying to make it look like Z's printing. (Hard to do if you are writing fast.) This person didn't leave anything out on purpose, so I would recognise it as being from the killer himself. But I didn't know the Zodiac's writing at that time , it was yrs later that I noticed how much it looked like Zodiac's printing. I have been told for yrs to write a book, or go to the media, I am damned if I do and damned if I don't, because people then say : Oh she is doing this for attention or money.

Why do I think he chose me to go after ? I can only guess because I have asked him but he hasn't said. My guess is because I was a well liked waitress as was Darlene. We both dated the same Vallejo Cop. I was going through a divorce but we were still in the same house together, so while I was dateing others, to Zodiac I was cheating as was Darlene. My husband was a bartender who had worked at the Coronado Inn , very handsome and could have known or dated Darlene. I now think that the lake Berryessa costume was put in our car on purpose, to frame my husband for the Z murders. For a long time once I found out that it wasn't a early Halloween I thought he mistook my car for his is why it ended up in my car. But about 15yrs ago , someone put a brand new white hallow cored closeline on my porch. That brought back a memory from the summer of 69 ,when someone stole most of my clothesline. No one could know about that because only my neighbor my husband myself and the one who took it knew .If it was the same person who later put the costume in my car, he did it I think to frame my husband. Only he didn't count on me not knowing what I had and so it was not reported. The newpaper made it sound like the killer wore a ski mask, what I found was very different than that. It was different than what Bryan tried to describe . Police heard it as a one piece hood, wrong it was two pieces. If they would read the notes ,they would notice that Bryan said he saw the killers jacket collar. That could only happen if the hood was separate from the poncho part of the costume, like what I had ! If I was making this story up I would have said it was like what was described.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:12 am
by sandy betts
capricorn wrote:Sandy, I believe your story too and would love to meet you someday and spend the time it takes as I completely understand. You can't portray something like this that has gone on for years in an hour or two accurately.

I am curious about why LE hasn't taken your evidence to examine especially since IIRC you were friendly with some of the officers. If they ignore you, why would anyone else who might have a similar story to tell bother trying to report it if there is even a place to do so now?

You are very gracious to open your door to strangers who are interested in visiting. I'm wondering if you've ever had any bad experiences by doing this. Be careful and I'm glad to know you have a good security system.



Thank you Capricorn for your kind words. When ever you are with in 50 miles of Vallejo, I would love to meet with you and talk Zodiac, just let me know when ? I have been lucky with my guests who have stayed at my home over the yrs. I had only one problem with the mother of one of guests who I let come and stay with him. Everyone else were wonderful people who liked seeing everything I have as well as all of the crime scenes. They have come from as far away as Ireland !
I like most people and thank goodness, most like me.

Re: Sandy's POI Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:48 am
by Quicktrader
Sandy,

I am curious about what your husband had known about the case. Have you ever talked to him, regarding his opinion? Where the stuff came from (wasn't there even a knife in the backyard..)? Did he ever see your poi and what were his ties e.g. to the Vallejo Cop?

Just in case Z got aware on you because of your husband...which clubs/organizations did he go to? Newspaper/Theatre/Hospital involvements?

Thanks for telling us more about that,

QT