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If x was z..chances are not to great he would have much blood on him..ive said before forward blood splatter is usually a mist....a second
shirt..a second jacket...we shall never know..no cop would mess with a rich old man when he was looking for a suspect who just shot a guy....whats in the sfpd file..thats the question i want answered..we shall probably know in 2231

Yes there are hurdles with x...but rule out cjb an berryessa and x looks plausible...

Marshall wrote: You just cannot explain that one away.

You probably can, actually, because the time frame for PH isn't written in stone by any stretch.

Pelissetti's accounts of when he actually encountered the dog walker are all over the place. What we do know is that he didn't breathe down Z's neck. Z was roughly at the intersection (Cherry/Jackson) when Pelissetti arrived at the scene. He then spent some time talking to the kids, getting on the radio, etc. He then cautiously moved north on Cherry - on foot.

Fouke on his part never went back to the encounter point - he drove towards Arguello and round the back to the Julius K area, assuming that Z had escaped into the park.

There is nothing we know for a fact which makes it technically impossible for KQ - as Z - to get to his house, fetch his dog and reappear on the street in time for the Pelissetti encounter. KQ/Z could have ditched his shuffling lope and entered sprint mode as soon as Fouke was out of sight - and the distance from 3712 to the KQ residence isn't great.

Is it likely? Not really. Is it impossible? Not as far as I can tell.

Holding the desktop against KQ won't do either, IMO.

I won't get into the tired old tirades again, it's enough to say that we don't know for a fact that Z had anything to do with it. It's a contested and controversial piece of evidence.

Norse wrote:Holding the desktop against KQ won't do either, IMO.

I won't get into the tired old tirades again, it's enough to say that we don't know for a fact that Z had anything to do with it. It's a contested and controversial piece of evidence.

The state of CA experts think it was Z,as does SFPD, and seemingly the FBI....if one puts any weight in their opinions. If Z didn't write the desktop, then connecting MrX to Riverside is not important, but just in case, backers of MrX as Z, are quick to point out that he was at the Riverside races that weekend

Like I said - not doing that "Shimoda versus Sherwood" dance again, it leads to nowhere.

Whether you question the desktop or not comes down to many factors - including what emphasis you put on handwriting analysis as anything resembling science.

However, I don't have to deny that Z wrote the poem in order for my KQ point to stand - I only have to claim that it hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Z wrote it.

SFPD say (said, at least) that Z did Riverside, the whole package. Other jurisdictions clearly disagree in various ways. Point being that from a neutral point of view, KQ could be Z without ever having set foot in the RCC library, so that particular point can't be used against him conclusively.

I don't think KQ was Z either - I'm just trying to be fair about this.

Watching the This is the Zodiac Speaking last night, one thing that does interest me ..... in his 911 call, the Zodiac correctly identified a Karmann-Ghia. I assume that was a rare car. IT's not he correctly identified a Ford Mustang. How many people in California could identify a Karmann-Ghia in 1969?

Just to add, it seems to my lightly read mind that Z had a pretty decent head start on Pelisetti. And it would be possible to lay out his clothes, have the dog on a leash waiting at the door, etc. if he had planned it.

But yes, it would be a very tight time frame either way.

Nick, no Nora wrote:Watching the This is the Zodiac Speaking last night, one thing that does interest me ..... in his 911 call, the Zodiac correctly identified a Karmann-Ghia. I assume that was a rare car. IT's not he correctly identified a Ford Mustang. How many people in California could identify a Karmann-Ghia in 1969?

Good point. I think Welsh Chappie, Mike and others have brought this up before, but it hasn't been discussed in a while. It's yet another Pro.

I try to figure out Z's motives for doing what he did, and look at what ties all the crimes. Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but besides the murders themselves, and the follow-up letters, the only thing that links the crimes are that they involve cars. I know some people like to make a big deal about a water connection, and Penn got people looking up what a radian is, but they are tenuous ties.

And maybe I make too much of that letter KQ wrote to The Chronicle, but that letter manifests Z's most plausible motives to me: to get the public in a panic and to belittle LE. It also predicts a murder in his neighborhood, and is sighned, concerned CITIZEN.

Nick, no Nora wrote:Just to add, it seems to my lightly read mind that Z had a pretty decent head start on Pelisetti. And it would be possible to lay out his clothes, have the dog on a leash waiting at the door, etc. if he had planned it.

But yes, it would be a very tight time frame either way.

Yep - that's about it. Not technically impossible.

Might add too that how much blood he actually had on him comes into play here too, if we're staying in hypothetical mode: If there wasn't much blood, he could have just put on a trenchcoat (or whatever would have served the purpose), grabbed the dog and strolled back outside (I don't think I've ever seen a description of what KQ was wearing that night, as per Pelissetti).

As soon as Z rounded the corner, the Kids came out and started walking towards the cab, and Palisetti intercepted them as they were a few feet from the car. He stopped them and ordered them back in and went around the corner after Z. I am thinking he was only a minute or two behind Z. Remember, along the way, Z was also witnessed by Fouke. He wasn't running. If anything, Z probably slowed down as not to look nervous, so i think that would have made it less likely that MrX would have time to change his clothes and get his dog