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Michael Mageau said that Zodiac slowly walked back to his car with his head down after firing the first shots into Darlene's car. No mention of a limp and/or unusual gait. Bryan Hartnell never mentioned it, either.

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Don't necessarily agree. It is one thing to be cool and the other to be stupid. Had he intentionally not looked at the kids but nevertheless knew they were watching, once he started heading north you'd think he would have begun walking pretty briskly, to say the least. And AP arrived lights and siren, so he knows the cops have arrived and are one block behind him. Z was only at Cherry and Jackson by that point. Had I been concerned I would have run down Jackson or better yet run into the park at Cherry. And I would never have allowed a police car to sneak up on me from in FRONT of me! His behavior suggests that he did not believe that anyone had seen him.
Mike

I suspect the shuffling lope is another red herring in the Z case. It's impossible to know precisely what this phrase is supposed to mean. Z was walking downhill, possibly with a gun in his pants, possibly hurrying along to an extent (he wasn't running, of course, but you'd think he was walking at a decent pace, at least). Those factors could easily explain whatever it was Fouke noticed about his gait.

He may not have had unusual gait at all under normal circumstances.

Norse wrote:I suspect the shuffling lope is another red herring in the Z case. It's impossible to know precisely what this phrase is supposed to mean. Z was walking downhill, possibly with a gun in his pants, possibly hurrying along to an extent (he wasn't running, of course, but you'd think he was walking at a decent pace, at least). Those factors could easily explain whatever it was Fouke noticed about his gait.

He may not have had unusual gait at all under normal circumstances.

The shuffling lope and the lazy eye. I challenge anyone to count how many times Graysmith mentioned the shuffling lope and gait in ZU.

from my perspective:

Pros: not a bad match to PH sketch
was near the PH scene and somehow claims to have forgotten about it
lots of proximity coincidences

Cons: too thin
would require a great deal of effort and skill to create the persona of a man less intelligent and much crazier than he
DNA didn't match
no handwriting match to speak of

Not a big deal to me:
the bad cars-would make sense that he'd use disposables
age-was fairly young looking
wealth, station- wouldn't be the first serial killer who was successful at his day job
hanging out after the crime- the stine crime was absurdly bold in every way, reasonable to think he'd continue to be bold about it and hang around to enjoy the show. Somewhat suspicious that a police dog wouldn't give him a sniff I guess.
criminal profiling: most profilers say Z was schizophrenic, one says he was "power assertive," I don't really care about it either way

One of the big cons for Mr. X, for me, is the RCC poem. I know it's not entirely conclusive, but if you think that poem was written by Z, then it's hard to imagine Mr. X hopping into the library to write it, even if he may have had reason to be in Riverside that day.

Hi Nick,

If I were to tell you that KQ was running around saying that we were under invasion from little green men in 1947, you'd say I was crazy, right? If I said a few years ago that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist, you would have said I was nuts. KQ reported on the little green men in 1947 but he couldn't possibly have written the desktop poem? Sure.

Mike

mike_r wrote:Hi Nick,

If I were to tell you that KQ was running around saying that we were under invasion from little green men in 1947, you'd say I was crazy, right? If I said a few years ago that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist, you would have said I was nuts. KQ reported on the little green men in 1947 but he couldn't possibly have written the desktop poem? Sure.

Mike

Being nuts doesn't give a person access to a community college library, or reason to be there. Was KQ taking classes at RCC? Was he involved with the school at all?

By your logic, I could say, "If I told you in 1980 that O.J. Simpson would butcher two people, you'd think I was crazy. Therefore, Ross Sullivan is Z."

Marshall wrote:

mike_r wrote:Hi Nick,

If I were to tell you that KQ was running around saying that we were under invasion from little green men in 1947, you'd say I was crazy, right? If I said a few years ago that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist, you would have said I was nuts. KQ reported on the little green men in 1947 but he couldn't possibly have written the desktop poem? Sure.

Mike

Being nuts doesn't give a person access to a community college library, or reason to be there. Was KQ taking classes at RCC? Was he involved with the school at all?

By your logic, I could say, "If I told you in 1980 that O.J. Simpson would butcher two people, you'd think I was crazy. Therefore, Ross Sullivan is Z."

All I got from what Mike was saying is that just because something may seem off the wall at the time, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's a valid point. We tend to overlook good suspects because they don't fit ALL the criteria, or it would mean we'd have to stretch our version of our theoretical Z a little. He doesn't have to be a stocky, blue colar, youngish man with a military background and a definitive widow's peak just because that seems like the most obvious possibility.

Con- if he was indeed the Man seen by Palisetti walking his dog the night of the Stine murder, he would not have had time to change and get his dog as Palisetti was only a moment behind him after the murder.

Con- I have not seen a lot of writing from Mr X, but most of it does not look like Z in my opinion

Pro- Was in Riverside the date of the Bates murder supposedly,and I think that case is connected to Z, or at least the Riverside desk poem & Bates letters