Mr. X passes away

[Welsh Chappie]

I suggest you word a FOIA request to the FBI as follows:

I am requesting any files or reports that are releasable under FOIA guidelines for Qvale....A deceased individual-proof of death as follows(obituary,deacth cert,etc,provide date of death,ss#,etc as much as you can). I am specifically interested in any FBI fles connected to Qvale n regards to the FBI's Zodiac Killer investigation.



When it comes to the FBI requests,its all about exact details,specific inquiry,and also include a date range,say 1968-1980,etc,etc


I have been able to get various levels of success. Also,I am sure you already have this,but request his military files via FOIA military request

That is excellent advise because Morf is right, the success of any FOIA request you submit will depend as much on the way you word your request and the specifics of what your requesting as it does on whether they do or do not have it in their records.

I haven't asked for Qvale specifically in the FOIA for the release of the redacted suspect as given by the eight year old witness and the reason is obviously because I may suspect that under the redacted covering the name is Qvale, but that is just speculation and a matter of personal opinion. That's why I demanded, I mean requested (lol) for the release of any and all named suspects in specific document in question to be released where the privacy act/laws are no longer in effect. Or words to that effect anyway, can't remember exactly word for word now, but I requested the release of redacted name in similar previous request and was successful in gaining the release of Robert Hale West's name. However, in that request I worded it with a wording that would only allow for one name to be released because that what I had basically requested and at the time I sent that one it wouldn't have mattered if Qvale was or was not in the document as a named suspect because they wouldn't have released it un-redacted because he was still alive at the time. At the time I sent this request that is pending, Qvale had passed away so that eliminates the privacy act/laws keeping his name from being released and wording it asking for the release of any and all named suspects in this doc will hopefully take out of the equation any possibility that they would release a name but not the one I specifically requested be released as there are several redacted names of suspects in this one document.

Another tip is, if the info you want released is a named suspect and the file and document in question is in the Websites online vault, then tell them that and add a link to it. I attached the link to the document itself that features on their site and gave them the specific page No, The Doc title and it's subject heading because that way, your not simply leaving it down to them to figure out which redacted name you refer to and on which page it appears and within which document, but your pointing them directly to the document itself. I added a link such as that to my first FOIA and that was successful and all though I can't say I know it was because of this link being added that it contributed toward the outcome of the request, what I can say for certain is that it certainly didn't hinder it!

[Welsh Chappie]

For me, if they supply me with the release if one suspects name or three is not really what is important to me this time, it's the one specific redacted name I am extremely interested in discovering because that name, whoever it belonged to, was IDENTIFIED as the person possibly responsible in the murder of cab driver, aka, Paul Stine. if the file comes back with that specific name remaining redacted, then for me there can be no other conclusion to arrive at other than it is not Kjell Qvale name that hides beneath it. But if he is the man named, I see no reason for them to not release his name now with the barrier of the Privacy Law now removed. So either way, the resulting outcome will be telling no matter if he is clearly now named in an un-redacted release, or if he isn't named in any of the un-redacted names because both will answer the question of whether he is a named party in the Doc. itself or not.

[joedetective]

The man who shot Stine definitely did not have a round face, so either someone else is responsible for attacking Mageau and Ferrin, or Mageau did not get a good enough look. It was dark, and the only light was shining directly in his eyes. I think that's enough to obscure someone's look at a face.

I'm sure this must have been brought up before, but does anyone know what size shoe kjell wore?

[Nachtsider]

The man who shot Stine definitely did not have a round face, so either someone else is responsible for attacking Mageau and Ferrin, or Mageau did not get a good enough look. It was dark, and the only light was shining directly in his eyes. I think that's enough to obscure someone's look at a face.

I'm sure this must have been brought up before, but does anyone know what size shoe kjell wore?

Says who?

[joedetective]

Fouke and the eyewitnesses who saw him walk away from Stine's cab mention nothing about a round face. The sketch is not a round face. Not gaunt but certainly not round

[Nachtsider]

Fouke and the eyewitnesses who saw him walk away from Stine's cab mention nothing about a round face. The sketch is not a round face. Not gaunt but certainly not round

Even Fouke stressed that Zodiac's jaw was full and rounded.

That sketch was the work of the kids' statements alone, and I strongly feel that they got the jaw wrong.

This would be a more accurate likeness (see below). It can pass for BOTH the Napa and SF composites.

[Bayarea60s]

Who's Kevin Moore? Is that you Nach....Nice job whoever did that drawing. My dad was a good likeness to Z, and he got plenty of abuse for it. when the LB composite came out neighbors, friends & family would say to him, Joe put a pair of glasses on that guy and it's you. then in the first week of Oct. '69 for the first time since he was a youngster my dad changed his hair style, came home with a flat top style doo. Then when the next composite came out, glasses and all, it was dad. He got abused at every turn. Half of my HS male teachers (they all wore the glasses) could pass as Z.

[Nachtsider]

It's not me, lol. Kevin's a dude from Tom's forum; very talented artist.

[joedetective]

There is something about a pair of black rimmed glasses that makes men look alike. I wore them for a few years and I even looked a bit like the sketch. I think they're so prominent all you see are the glasses. Maybe it's better to look at sketches of Z with the glasses removed.

Nacht, I don't know how good of an idea it is to merge images of what different witnesses saw when we can't be sure if it's the same person. You could be taking two different people and making them one, which would make them look like neither. You seem pretty confident it's the same person, and there's a good chance it is, but there's a possibility it's not. For me the LB sketch, the description given by Mageau, and the sketch of the Stine murderer are so different that you have to at least entertain the possibility that it's not the same person.

[morf13]

Mike R, I can get your suspect's hand printed ss application if you like for $30, should give you some printed writing to work with