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I get the impression just from watching interviews he gives that Armond comes across as the type to happily take whatever secrets he may have to the grave with him and won't spend any time feeling guilty or bad about not doing the right thing. For me, if there is to be a revelation via death bed confession then I'm placing my money on it coming from Fouke. I believe that the white male Fouke encounters walking down Jackson Street was Kjell also. I think Fouke knows who he was very well and that's the reason he allowed him to go. It strikes me as more than coincidence that Armond has never admitted publically that he saw or spoke with Qvale that night and similarly Mr Fouke forgot to mention he had seen a white male that night also.

So we have two choices here on what to believe. The first one is that there were two white guys out there that night, one seen by Fouke (Zodiac) and the other, Kjell, seen by Armond and these two white guys were seen at the intersection of Jackson & Maple within seconds, maybe a minute or two of each other and yet neither of them seem to see the other. Don spots white lumbering male as he approaches Maple, Maple being the reported location of Kjell Qvale when Armond spoke with him and yet Fouke see's Kjell nowhere. Similarly, Armond tells us that he walked down Jackson Street to Maple and bumped into White Man with dog (K.Q) and after a brief question, turned and walked back up Jackson turning onto Cherry. Now where is the staggering white male that Fouke now see's just as Armond get back to Cherry? Armond has to pass him on his way back up Jackson surely? But no, everybody happens to miss everybody when all concerned are in the same place. That's one explination, the second is simple and explains how Kjell and 2nd white guy did not see each other and its this: There wasn't two separate white males out there at all, the white male seen by Fouke and Spoken to by Armond in the same place is one and the same person, Mr Qvale.

The guy Fouke describes and the subsequent drawing resemble Kjell Qvale accurately:

Fouke looked at the photo of KQ from 1965 and said he "had the right chin" and at a color photo from 1971 and said he "had the right hairline."

Mike

mike_r wrote:Fouke looked at the photo of KQ from 1965 and said he "had the right chin" and at a color photo from 1971 and said he "had the right hairline."

Mike

Fouke was very specific about a widow's peak. I didn't know MrX had a widow's peak, or was Fouke changing his description?

Kjell did seem to have a widows peak in at least one photograph. The slight V shaped hairline is visible as the hairline recedes:

He can be forgiven though for a receding hairline which I strongly suspect was "Possibly Greying at the rear" because Kjell is known to have seen something in the early hours of July 5th and it wasn't the shooting of Dee and Mike at Blue Rock either, well, not on this occasion anyway. Kjell was out observing UFO's that he went on record as saying he believed were space ships. Now I expect some who haven't heard this about Kjell may question if I am being serious or not in saying that Kjell saw space ships on July 5th so i'll quote directly from the record of it and what Kjell's own words were.....

Case No. 332

July 5, near Auburn, California: Kjell Qvale, an automobile salesman in Alameda and a former Navy pilot for five years, reported that he and a group of 50 other witnesses had watched a triangular formation of disc-like objects near Auburn at 2:30 p.m. PST, flying south.

Qvale said that the discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver." He added that their round outline was clearly distinguishable. The objects were in view "for three or four minutes," he said.

"I have seen a lot of airplanes, and these were not airplanes. The only clue I could get as to their height, size and speed was the fact that they disappeared one at a time, high in the sky, and not over the horizon. This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed -- l,000 miles an hour," he said.

Qvale was one of the very few UFO witnesses in the 1947 wave -- one of two, to be exact -- who openly expressed the opinion that the objects seen could have been "space ships."

I just watched Armond's on cam interview for Cold case Files - Zodiac Killer and you know when you think it cannot get any worse or there cannot be any more blatant contradictions, it seems that A.P is there to whisper "Wanna bet?"

As we know Armond states quite matter of fact in a confident declaration in his 2008 on screen interview for the documentary This is the Zodiac Speaking:

"A broadcast came out that told us that a cab driver was being robbed and/or possibly assaulted at the corner of Washington and Cherry Streets in Pacific Heights."

But this is another 'updated' and contradictory claim as it's not what he tells us came over the radio in Cold Case Files as he seems to once again recall a totally different version as to what came over the radio:

"217 was called over the radio which means that a shooting had possibly come down."

Well this dispatcher was giving out descriptions of A Black Male incorrectly all over the place but it would not matter anyway had he gave the suspects correct ethnic description because Armond and Don are rushing to shootings one minute, assaults the next then Don speeds up Jackson past Maple, Past Cherry and to Arguello where he gets radio update of 'White Male' and turns right onto West Pacific until he decides it didn't happen this way and that he had passed Maple and swung left onto Cherry and received the update suspect description from Armond. Can't remember what they were told initially, no idea where they initially responded to and etc etc.

I can almost see Zodiac sat on the Steps of 3712 waving to passing squad cars as they fly past and call to Armond "Evening Officer, beautiful evening isn't it? I say Officer, are you looking for a gunman by any chance? Only a black guy just came running down the sidewalk and past me waving a pistol and laughing manically. He said he's going to hide from you in Julius Khan. Glad I can help Officer, hope you catch him.....See ya. This is the Zodiac Leaving!

the biggest issue I see with X is no explicit evidence to tie him to zodiac..with the blood splatter I would think he would have been covered especially if we can believe Z was in the front seat of the cab..X just being there does not make him Z..X was quite old then as well which kinda wrecks my younger Z theory but it is what it is and I do think X is worthy of a look see more than many..i dont think there is much doubt both cops contacted X that night which leads to X as plausible Z or the Z was simply gone into the shadows of the night

ps: everybody around that neighborhood would have known X..he was someone who had exposure in the media and of course the gear heads would easily have been able to identify him..X simply was in the public spotlight

snooter wrote:the biggest issue I see with X is no explicit evidence to tie him to zodiac..with the blood splatter I would think he would have been covered especially if we can believe Z was in the front seat of the cab..X just being there does not make him Z..X was quite old then as well which kinda wrecks my younger Z theory but it is what it is and I do think X is worthy of a look see more than many..i dont think there is much doubt both cops contacted X that night which leads to X as plausible Z or the Z was simply gone into the shadows of the night

ps: everybody around that neighborhood would have known X..he was someone who had exposure in the media and of course the gear heads would easily have been able to identify him..X simply was in the public spotlight

No I totally agree with you and I don't think I've made a claim that physical evidence exists to implicate him. It's just the whole mystery surrounding the lack of Kjell being featured in any witness report. I mean I get that he's got a reputation to try and protect and that, in some peoples eyes, he's not simply your average man but that should count for nothing in a homicide investigation and if it was me (I realise this is a non argument because everyone reacts and see's a situation differently) but I'd be wanting to add to my public image and trustworthy name by cooperating with any investigation as a witness and doing everything I could if I were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not as if he cant explain why he's in the area because "I live here in that house there" is not going to convince A Judge to sign an arrest warrant because that is suspicious.

But I think the main reason i suspect Qvale went to such extra effort to not have his name associated with anything to do with Zodiac is simple: I think Kjell was the man that th eight year old witness positively ID'd as the Cabbies Slayer. Now how can i jump tp such a conclusion? Well, no real physical evidence as i said but this the way i look at it:
Here we have a FBI document stating that a witness from that night who saw Zodiac at the cab has "Identified *redacted* as possible suspect in this case." Now, ask yourself this, if there has been a witness who saw the offender at the cab carrying out the crime, and then he subsequently went on to Identify Person A as the man who had been responsible, then wouldn't you expect to see this in many reports, on documentaries, and it being vigerously followed up by Law Enforcement? This is the biggest break and lead the case has ever seen and known to that date! Arthur Allen, owns a watch with cross hair on it, deserving to be all over the papers, interviewed on news specials, Number one suspect etc.... Yet this man that a witness said was Zodiac.....Nothing! Silence! Not even a follow up report to suggest the suspect had been investigated and cleared.

My belief is, Kjell didn't go to so much great effort to make sure his name was never published in a story about Zodiac for nothing, He has a very good reason not towant his name connected to Zodiac again because he doesn't want people finding out that it was him this witnessed had ID'd as Zodiac. That's my theory anyway.
And I am not saying the kid is going to be 100% correct and there is no question that if he ID'd Qvale, then Qvale has to be the man. It's just as possible that if it were Kjell he affirmed as Cabbie Shooter then the kid could genuinely have made a mistake and this again would totally justify Kjell's not wanting anything to do with the case

no worries..i enjoy reading your posts..i think its telling they will not release the case file on X..also has anybody ever tracked down the 8 year old witness..no doubt its a long shot as to what the then 8 year remembers but witnessing a murder should have 4-ever scarred something in that kids brain..X was never going to be portrayed as Z (ALA was easy in comparison-child molester serial killer would sell)..had money and the means to sue the ever living hell out of the sfpd and anybody who printed his name in the paper..slander while not an easy case would not have mattered much to X in regards to cost to pursue..he had the money while the average joe would throw in the towel..may be the time line is corrupt and X went home and changed clothes-i just dont know..