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Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:28 am
by Welsh Chappie
And Eduard, I am not going on Mike R's research or claims when I speak of Kjell because I can honestly say I have neither read them nor heard what the claims are by any method or means. For me, Kjell warrants being in the top 3 or 4 suspects based on the fact that Don and Armond can't seem to get their version of events that night to coincide with what the other one says. And, perhaps more significantly, this one statement made here:

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At this point, nothing of substance can be used to warrant the statement that "Qvale is the name hidden by the FBI's redacted efforts" at all, but what I do think points toward it likely being Mr Q is
1.He was in the area according to A.P
2.The last suspect on the page and above the 'Eight year old witness in murder of...' comment is a suspect that, as is evident above, listed as residing in San Francisco.
3. The witness Identified a suspect as possibly responsible, which has to mean he physically looked at him live in person, or in a photo line up, and said "That's him" and if it was on the night of Oct 11 in the immediate area then this tends to increase the probability of it being Kjell because he is known to have been on Jackson and/or Maple.

All will be settled hopefully with the FOIA request for the release of the redacted suspects that are now dead.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:29 am
by snooter
in some sense it all comes down to how much belief you have in the person who has pushed forth a suspect and there research,,I have no issue with any body who claims there poi and stands by it..X looks good to me..ted K looks good to me..hell even ALA still looks good to me..yea even gaik has some suspect positives..what irks me is when others point out holes and are attacked for it.thats BS and not at all respectful to the victicms living family members..just my take-god speed...

X in my mind is definetly top 5 POI until undisputed evidence rules him out (or any other poi for that matter)

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:56 am
by Welsh Chappie
Yeah agreed. And yes this case is frustrating with the POI's all seeming to have their own reason why they simply have to be above the other POI on the list and just as you agree and accept it also, someone comes along with "Yes but what about this POI and this really significant bit of evidence against him?" Then you say "Good point, I must now change opinion." Then some else comes along...."Pssst, over here! Are you forgetting POI No.3 and his X Y and Z reasons he has to be Zodiac?" Then you go "Of course!" then someone else comes along......


Lol.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:09 am
by joedetective
Let's face it, all the suspects are problematic, so no one should take it personally if they're respectfully challenged on their poi.

Just received an autographed copy of Kjell's autobiography on Fri. Started reading it today. I'm only on chapter 2 yet. It's not a hard read. My only complaint is he uses way, way too many exclamation marks!

So far nothing stands out as a glaring yet indirect hint that he might be Z but there are some noteworthy points. For one thing, this guy loves to brag (sound familiar). He also talks about how lucky he is when it comes to getting out of tight spots. He is incredibly competitive, and he loves taking crazy risks. There's an anecdote about how he was warned to stay away from this crazy bull, but instead climbs over a 7 foot fence on a bet that he could run across the field bfore the bull even notices him. Of course, the bull chases him and he high jumps the fence to escape.

The other interesting point, at least to me, is that he talks about how when he was a child a taxi driver taught him how to drive.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 11:19 am
by Welsh Chappie
joedetective wrote:Let's face it, all the suspects are problematic, so no one should take it personally if they're respectfully challenged on their poi.

Just received an autographed copy of Kjell's autobiography on Fri. Started reading it today. I'm only on chapter 2 yet. It's not a hard read. My only complaint is he uses way, way too many exclamation marks!

So far nothing stands out as a glaring yet indirect hint that he might be Z but there are some noteworthy points. For one thing, this guy loves to brag (sound familiar). He also talks about how lucky he is when it comes to getting out of tight spots. He is incredibly competitive, and he loves taking crazy risks. There's an anecdote about how he was warned to stay away from this crazy bull, but instead climbs over a 7 foot fence on a bet that he could run across the field bfore the bull even notices him. Of course, the bull chases him and he high jumps the fence to escape.

The other interesting point, at least to me, is that he talks about how when he was a child a taxi driver taught him how to drive.


I've read on several of Kjell's obituaries that he often made no secret that he loved to take risks, stating that this is one reason he succeeded in business. Also, he described a vehicle once as "Goofy looking." The same childish slang wording used by Z for his two cops pulled a goof brag.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:23 pm
by joedetective
Yeah, it's definitely a point that he keeps hammering in his autobiography. That, and how often he gets out of sticky situations by the skin of his teeth.

The book is a short, easy read, but unless you're a car or horse aficionado, it's also really boring. That's why I'm only half way through. I find his writing about his war experiences pretty interesting though. Otherwise he comes off as a smarmy car salesman with an inflated ego.

One good thing is that there are lots of photos of Kjell, many that look to be from the late 60s to early 70s, and he looks strikingly similar to the Stine composite in them. Also, it's signed "To Mark and Mike, best regards, Kjell Qvale" with a black felt pen in writing not that different from the red phantom letter, at least to my amateur eye.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:10 pm
by Eduard Versluijs
Did you know he put his autograph on cars for their owners? reminded me of Zodiac signing the car of Hartnell.

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On one of his own designed sportscars his name was misspelled as "Zvale". Why didn't he change it into "Qvale"? I wouldn't like the whole world to see my name written in a wrong way.

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Okay, all the above proofs nothing, I know! But it makes one wonder... :roll:

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 9:55 pm
by Welsh Chappie
I find it strange how Kjell threatened litigation against anyone who used his name in association with anything to do with The Zodiac case. I mean seeing that he himself is fairly well known, interviewed for car magazine's and racing magazines and even the chronicle many time, I would probably expect one journalist to ask Kjell "Back in 69, the notorious Zodiac Killer struck oneb block away from your house on Jackson and was supposedly last seen about 3 or 4 houses up from your own residence, did that worry or scare you considering you have a wife and children?"
Nothing. I bet an interviewer has asked something similar and they found out quickly ask any questions relating to Zodiac, and interview is over.

Shell KA-VAH-LEE his name is pronounced, kind of like, ooo I don't know, A-VER-LY.

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:54 pm
by mike_r
Hi Eduard-

You are the man but...in this instance out of fairness I must throw a flag. Maybe they don't teach it that way in The Neths. but when I was a kid many moons ago, they taught us to write a capital "Q" like that. I went to "PS 12 Queens, NY," so I used to write that silly capital Q a lot. Looks like a 2. Looks like a Z. But it is a Q.

Mike

Re: Mr. X passes away

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:56 pm
by mike_r
Hi-

I asked him that Welsh. He said that he "should have been in England" the night Stine was killed (even though he was in good old PH talking to Pelissetti) and that he was not too concerned about his family because they had a safe home.
Mike