Harvey F. Colliver

[Simplicity]

Many murders get solved, many innocent people get incarcerated. What if there is something here that might vindicate a innocent man on a long forgotten solved crime?

He might have a rap sheet a mile long and this might be the key to something somewhere.

[CuriousCat]

I truly respect what you have said and even curiouscat. Let me be clear whilst i make a broad statement here i know the reality of the matter is that he is highly unlikely that he is the zodiac.

My stance is this, this was a bad man once apon a time. There are things we all can not see and what may or may not eventuate is not to be known.

After looking through his files and based on the over-all gist of his writings, plus the things I found that I posted here, in my mind the basics for suspecting him in the Zodiac or potentially other crimes has been established. He was in the areas, he even mentions specific towns, Tracy, Vallejo, Benecia and San Francisco, he was in Southern California when earlier suspected cases occurred. He had serious mental issues, he had serious issues with women, with government, with the media. He owned firearms. There are other things but you get the idea.

However, it now requires a higher level of evidence. Does he have a police record, was he a stalker, was he fired from his teaching jobs because of problems with women, as I suspect. Is there any way to establish where he was the nights the attacks occurred. This would require someone with the ability to access records, speak to people who knew him, worked with him, etc. That most likely will require someone with some authority who can access government records and people would be more willing to talk to, and that ain't us. Hopefully this Vallejo detective will give him an honest going over.

[Simplicity]

I truly respect what you have said and even curiouscat. Let me be clear whilst i make a broad statement here i know the reality of the matter is that he is highly unlikely that he is the zodiac.

My stance is this, this was a bad man once apon a time. There are things we all can not see and what may or may not eventuate is not to be known.

After looking through his files and based on the over-all gist of his writings, plus the things I found that I posted here, in my mind the basics for suspecting him in the Zodiac or potentially other crimes has been established. He was in the areas, he even mentions specific towns, Tracy, Vallejo, Benecia and San Francisco, he was in Southern California when earlier suspected cases occurred. He had serious mental issues, he had serious issues with women, with government, with the media. He owned firearms. There are other things but you get the idea.

However, it now requires a higher level of evidence. Does he have a police record, was he a stalker, was he fired from his teaching jobs because of problems with women, as I suspect. Is there any way to establish where he was the nights the attacks occurred. This would require someone with the ability to access records, speak to people who knew him, worked with him, etc. That most likely will require someone with some authority who can access government records and people would be more willing to talk to, and that ain't us. Hopefully this Vallejo detective will give him an honest going over.

He was fired from santa maria i understand for something that only relentless could elaborate on.

And in a nutshell that's why i'm going in this direction. I and we can't see what law enforcement can look into so readily. He might have been originally investigate and dismissed for whatever reason to god only knows what crimes.

There are letters of his in that file that show his paranoia about who might be reading his letters after postage, i find elements of paranoia that he is being watched in the early 70's. I can't readily find these documents again in that giant file but they are there.

[Simplicity]

A 50 year old case will not be solved with all the documents in the world. The "accomplice" mentioned by nancy may very well still be alive. All this does is point the police in a direction to obtain and process a $100 dna test from a living member of his family.

All this commotion and that is all that will eventuate and then i will wipe my hands and call it a day.

[Xcaliber]

What would you test the DNA against?

[CuriousCat]

What would you test the DNA against?

The scuttlebutt is they finally have something. There's no telling if there is any truth to it, but we do know Vallejo, and I think one other, can't remember, submitted letters for new DNA testing. That was about a year ago and we haven't heard anything. I'm of the opinion that could be good news, because if they had failed to find enough DNA they would have already said so. Hopefully they were able to develop a profile and are checking it against databases.

[Simplicity]

any crime imaginable ?

[CuriousCat]

any crime imaginable ?

What?

[Simplicity]

I don't know, i bid a farewell to all.

I might have come across as rude, nasty, arrogant which i was unfortunately at times. I admit that getting into and figuring out harvey's mindset affected me. My views are skewed and no longer impartial and i know it.

[Quicktrader]

Harvey F. Colliver definitely is interesting, not for Z imo but potentially for some other stuff.

QT