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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:44 am
by Simplicity
No need to be sorry,

I can't force anyone to read what i have and understand it like i have. To myself the puzzle pieces match on too many levels for me to say anything less.

I hope in time i will be able to expand with more tangible things so that the narrative of rational offered by harvey's writings can be understood and accepted.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:51 am
by Simplicity
With that said, i strongly suggest that there is absolutely no better suspect than harvey colliver in relation to zodiac suspects. At what point does a collection of circumstantial become a web of evidence?

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:23 pm
by CuriousCat
Cragle wrote:
Simplicity wrote:
If you read Harvey's documents you can tell he is at war against abortion, you can not read his documents and conclude anything but.

He explicitly states to understand them he must become them (a murderer). He detests abortion, he was the Zodiac killer.


That is a BIG statement to make. I hope you have serious proof before throwing out accusations like that.


I don't agree with him about Harvey being the Zodiac, but he's correct about everything else. After reading through all of Harvey's files, I developed a real hate for the guy, he was a nasty bastard and I could hardly stomach finishing it all. He had some serious mental problems and a real hate for women.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:37 pm
by CuriousCat
Simplicity wrote:

Of course it will be disputed if it really was the zodiac letter or not, But who ever wrote it clearly is speaking about Roe V Wade.


No, it's not clear they were, it could have just as easily been about Vietnam.


The threats against school children in a bus is a analogy used by the zodiac to teach. The whole of california was scared about the welfare of children riding in a bus, but what about the child riding in the womb? He shows this by utterly dismissing the notion that he would harm a child in later writings.

Targeting of teens in "lovers lanes" well that's another hint that the zodiac was trying to teach something very specific.

All of this connects with everything i have ever learnt or read about harvey colliver.


I don't think that makes him the Zodiac but I can agree your conclusions there have some validity.

He was near Lompoc (taught at santa maria) and probably driving south towards home on the same highway on the same day of the domingos murders. He was a teacher, students skip school he goes home.


They were students at Lompoc high and Harvey was at a Jr College in Santa Maria.



His relationship with his partner seemingly breaks down temporarily days prior to the kathleen johns incident - who states the vehicle had a lot of writing on pieces of paper (what you'd expect from harvey) and kids clothing around the age of 12 - his daughter cheri is aged (11 or 12 that year)


You need to show he had that type of vehicle or access to one.

Zodiac like symbols found in his documents circa 68-69


I've seen no Zodiac like symbols in his documents, none even close. There are actual Zodiac symbols on those film roll cases however.

basically a rational to his murders found in his documents.


One could certainly construe that from his writing, but there is no clear evidence.

Physiologist states she could see him "shooting random people in public"


That's pretty strong evidence, but it is also second hand information from his wife, so I have to take it with a grain of salt.

His ex wife states he is a murderer and implies multiple victims.


And it seems pretty clear she is referring to him causing her son to kill himself, which from what I can tell is most likely her own fault, plus she's also referring to her miscarriage of their baby.

owned same caliber guns that were used.


Not that I have seen. From what I know he had a 38 pistol and a shotgun. Please correct me if I am wrong. I saw nothing about a semi-auto .22 or 9mm.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:03 pm
by relentlessz
Harvey had a 9mm and a .38. I can't confirm he had a .22 yet. I can confirm he had access to "rifles" but the letter doesn't state the caliber.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:08 pm
by Simplicity
Remember we are only seeing a sliver of harvey's documents a sliver of the documents that he chose to retain. Our own capabilities to explore this tiny view point is also limited.

Zodiac or not if police raided his home in 75 and found what we have he'd have a hell of a time defending himself.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:58 pm
by Simplicity
Regarding the kathleen johns incident, what vehicle was used? i find this incident to be sketchy in details.

Proving he had access or owned a particular vehicle is naturally something beyond my abilities but i do note various types of vehicles are mentioned by him in the documents.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:02 am
by Simplicity
Also i have read that kathleen johns mentioned a dermal issue on the culprits face.

I have seen documents around that time that speak about some sort of itchy skin outbreak requiring medical treatment.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:02 am
by Simplicity
1958 ford until january 3 1964

purchased 1964 plymouth january 3 1964 owned until unknown time. possibly with white wall tires.

Re: Harvey F. Colliver

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:11 am
by CuriousCat
Simplicity wrote:
purchased 1964 plymouth january 3 1964 owned until unknown time. possibly with white wall tires.


Any info on the model and color?