Harvey F. Colliver

[Simplicity]

I just point back to this picture.

Curiouscat i will learn how to use a image hosting site one day.

[CuriousCat]

message in a bottle link.
http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=725&u=14945813

Roe V Wade decision January 22 1973.
Letter found was dated Feb 2 1973.

"the war is over"

"and going to kill a baby"

If you read Harvey's documents you can tell he is at war against abortion, you can not read his documents and conclude anything but.

He explicitly states to understand them he must become them (a murderer). He detests abortion, he was the Zodiac killer.

I see what you mean and I suppose it could be construed that way, but in 1973 the Vietnam war was basically over and they were starting to withdraw troops. War protesters called the troops baby killers. So it could be a reference to that instead.

[Simplicity]

True, it could correlate with the ceasefire in vietnam in jan 73. But there were many violations of the ceasefire which could have continued past the dated authorship.

But the killing of a baby seems to point to Roe v wade, and i think it's fair to assume zodiac intended only to frighten california then to ever seriously harm a child (for what reason aside for fear itself?) , in regards to previous writings.

And ultimately no one knows if this is a true letter from the Zodiac. But it is interesting to note the statement that he is still the zodiac in 73 which again on the narrative i'm suggesting would explain the resurgence of the zodiac after the roe v wade decision if it is harvey or someone very much like harvey.

[Simplicity]

The ChiChi experiment.

I misquoted the date earlier, it took place in 76.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wue9wr7953g6iuk/AABs0ri4oxFpcoyomGVngHA4a?dl=0

[Cragle]

[quote="Simplicity]

If you read Harvey's documents you can tell he is at war against abortion, you can not read his documents and conclude anything but.

He explicitly states to understand them he must become them (a murderer). He detests abortion, he was the Zodiac killer.[/quote]

That is a BIG statement to make. I hope you have serious proof before throwing out accusations like that.

[Simplicity]

I stand by my statements for a multitude of reasons.

[Cragle]

I stand by my statements for a multitude of reasons.

Can you concisely substantiate ?

[Simplicity]

I wrote this earlier and elsewhere, it is not everything but this is my attempt to convey what is happening as easily as possible, it is not the entirety of my rational. Yes it is my interpretation of what is know about harvey and how i see the matter at hand. (The bottom section is more to the point)

"War is over" - roe v wade decision past january 22 1973 (letter dated Feb 2 1973)

"and going to kill a baby" The war was lost.

Harvey Colliver was at war against abortion, no one can read his documents and say otherwise. He explicitly states that he must become like them (a murderer) to understand them (abortion and murder are one and the same to harvey).


Of course it will be disputed if it really was the zodiac letter or not, But who ever wrote it clearly is speaking about Roe V Wade.


The threats against school children in a bus is a analogy used by the zodiac to teach. The whole of california was scared about the welfare of children riding in a bus, but what about the child riding in the womb? He shows this by utterly dismissing the notion that he would harm a child in later writings.

Targeting of teens in "lovers lanes" well that's another hint that the zodiac was trying to teach something very specific.

All of this connects with everything i have ever learnt or read about harvey colliver.

He was near Lompoc (taught at santa maria) and probably driving south towards home on the same highway on the same day of the domingos murders. He was a teacher, students skip school he goes home.

It is possible that he was in riverside in late 66 - but irrelevant.

We have found a picture of his car with bald mismatched sized tires (highly likely dated mid 69) that seem to correlate to the LB tire tracks found at crime scene.

He was looking for investment property between 70-72, he is near lake tahoe during this period.

At one point he returns back from reno nevada after a (2 day trip) the same day the "my name is" letter is sent.

Then 8 days later the "dragon card" is sent which has imagery that has a strong connection with cards sold in the state of nevada.

His relationship with his partner seemingly breaks down temporarily days prior to the kathleen johns incident - who states the vehicle had a lot of writing on pieces of paper (what you'd expect from harvey) and kids clothing around the age of 12 - his daughter cheri is aged (11 or 12 that year)

Zodiac like symbols found in his documents circa 68-69

basically a rational to his murders found in his documents.

Physiologist states she could see him "shooting random people in public"

His ex wife states he is a murderer and implies multiple victims.

owned same caliber guns that were used.

im just saying

[Simplicity]

If one can absorb the puzzle that is harvey then one can start understanding the puzzle that is the zodiac killer.

[Cragle]

I wrote this earlier and elsewhere, it is not everything but this is my attempt to convey what is happening as easily as possible, it is not the entirety of my rational. Yes it is my interpretation of what is know about harvey and how i see the matter at hand. (The bottom section is more to the point)

"War is over" - roe v wade decision past january 22 1973 (letter dated Feb 2 1973)

"and going to kill a baby" The war was lost.

Harvey Colliver was at war against abortion, no one can read his documents and say otherwise. He explicitly states that he must become like them (a murderer) to understand them (abortion and murder are one and the same to harvey).


Of course it will be disputed if it really was the zodiac letter or not, But who ever wrote it clearly is speaking about Roe V Wade.

Never been seen or confirmed as a Zodiac correspondence.

The threats against school children in a bus is a analogy used by the zodiac to teach. The whole of california was scared about the welfare of children riding in a bus, but what about the child riding in the womb? He shows this by utterly dismissing the notion that he would harm a child in later writings.

Targeting of teens in "lovers lanes" well that's another hint that the zodiac was trying to teach something very specific.

Hartnell, Shepard were not in a loverslane, Paul Stine ?

All of this connects with everything i have ever learnt or read about harvey colliver.

He was near Lompoc (taught at santa maria) and probably driving south towards home on the same highway on the same day of the domingos murders. He was a teacher, students skip school he goes home.

Again this not a confirmed Zodiac attack ?

It is possible that he was in riverside in late 66 - but irrelevant.

How is this irrelevant. We know that Zodiac was in Riverside at the time of Bates attack.

We have found a picture of his car with bald mismatched sized tires (highly likely dated mid 69) that seem to correlate to the LB tire tracks found at crime scene.

He was looking for investment property between 70-72, he is near lake tahoe during this period.

At one point he returns back from reno nevada after a (2 day trip) the same day the "my name is" letter is sent.

Then 8 days later the "dragon card" is sent which has imagery that has a strong connection with cards sold in the state of nevada.

His relationship with his partner seemingly breaks down temporarily days prior to the kathleen johns incident - who states the vehicle had a lot of writing on pieces of paper (what you'd expect from harvey) and kids clothing around the age of 12 - his daughter cheri is aged (11 or 12 that year)

Zodiac like symbols found in his documents circa 68-69

basically a rational to his murders found in his documents.

Physiologist states she could see him "shooting random people in public"

His ex wife states he is a murderer and implies multiple victims.

owned same caliber guns that were used.

im just saying

Sorry but I can’t see what you are seeing. It seems as though you are trying to make the crimes fit him.
Does he look like either of the composites ? Is his writing similar ? Can you place him at the key locations ? The knife you have shown is nothing like the knife that was supposedly used at LB ? A few odd symbols and mental issues do NOT make him Z. Remember innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Saying that, Hopefully I am wrong and he is Z so we can get some closure.