Harvey F. Colliver

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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:53 am

:shock: good spot :lol:

edit but it doesn't change the inside diameter or does it
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:06 am

Simplicity wrote::shock: good spot :lol:

edit but it doesn't change the inside diameter or does it


It's not inside diameter, it's the distance from the inside of one tire tread to the opposite side inside tire tread, that's my understanding of how they measured, and yes, different sized tires can change that. The car at LB had mismatched tires, badly worn.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:09 am

Another thing that can change it is wheel spacers, which a lot of Sunbeam owners like to use to give it a wider track, for looks, fills out the wheel wells better, and also a bit better feel for the road. It might be a more recent thing however and there is no way of knowing if Harvey's Sunbeam had them.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:28 am

CuriousCat wrote:
Simplicity wrote::shock: good spot :lol:

edit but it doesn't change the inside diameter or does it


It's not inside diameter, it's the distance from the inside of one tire tread to the opposite side inside tire tread, that's my understanding of how they measured, and yes, different sized tires can change that. The car at LB had mismatched tires, badly worn.


wait , i read you correctly right? the tracks left at the crime scene had mismatched tires?
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 am

And i concur everything else you said curious regarding the vehicle.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Simplicity wrote:wait , i read you correctly right? the tracks left at the crime scene had mismatched tires?


It's my understanding the tires were a different width, also different treads and showed considerable wear. It indicated a vehicle that wasn't well maintained.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:54 am

Courtesy of relentlessz:
It is or was Harvey's of course and my understanding is that it almost perfectly matches the weapon described being used at the LB crime scene.
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Curiouscat i will take your advice on images in future.

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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby masootz » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:46 am

Simplicity wrote:Courtesy of relentlessz:
It is or was Harvey's of course and my understanding is that it almost perfectly matches the weapon described being used at the LB crime scene.


no it doesn't. from my notes:

"Knife with sheath on right side, near front of his trousers. Knife description: 12" bread knife, 3/4" wide, hardwood handle, 2 brass rivets, cotton surgical tape wrapped 1" around handle. "

description from the ncsd lb crime report, page 17.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:04 pm

Yeah, that is obviously not the knife used at LB. Pretty sure Hartnell would have noticed that.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby relentlessz » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:46 pm

CuriousCat wrote:
Simplicity wrote:wait , i read you correctly right? the tracks left at the crime scene had mismatched tires?


It's my understanding the tires were a different width, also different treads and showed considerable wear. It indicated a vehicle that wasn't well maintained.



That's a great discovery. The car matches the witness descriptions and it looks to match the police reports too. And in the photo, it would seem that he was working on it himself so that leads to the belief that it wasn't well maintained. Those mismatched front tires are the main giveaway. No question.
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