Harvey F. Colliver

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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:25 am

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This is very perculiar for a number of reasons but especially the time of and the context of that time in harvey's life.

A cheap shot but i'll take it, his "2" turns into a Z on page 2.


If he was sending letters like that to the Napa DA there is a good chance his name came up after the LB attack. Do we know what years Harvey drove the Sunbeam?
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:29 am

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Lompoc we see harvey refer to it as a hicks town, his wife at the time tried to apply for a job there but i feel like harvey was trying to keep his distance from her and privacy in tact, which has more to do with his personality than anything conclusively mischievous.


My interest in Lompoc is because Lompoc High is where Robert Domingo and Linda Edwards went to high school. They were murdered on nearby beach in 1963. If you are not very familiar with that case, it is almost identical to the Zodiac Lake Berryessa attack and many of us are convinced it was an early Zodiac murder. Harvey was working at Hancock college in Lompoc in 1963.

So we have established he was in Lompoc when the Domingo/Edwards murders occurred and was in the Bay area when the other attacks occurred and also that he is familiar with Napa, Vallejo and Benecia, the sites of three other attacks, as well as being very familiar with San Francisco itself.

One of the main requirements of establishing the basis of someone as a Zodiac suspect is showing they were in the areas of the attacks when they happened. This establishes that aspect. I have seen no evidence he was ever in Riverside however, nor Sacramento. This doesn't make Harvey the Zodiac. It does establish a basic requirement though.


Absolutely, i believe he was there (santa maria) in 63 onwards and would have probably traveled thru that very location on his trips back home. There is writings about him walking along beach a beach during that time and other times but i do not know if they are simply dreams or not.

His phone bills from the time of 64 onwards is in the folder. (but not 63 which i have to say is odd for harvey to not retain but i don't know his living arrangements in 63)
there's 3 oddities about the numbers he called but my ability to check and verify is limited.
1 is to a wig shop in lompoc
2 is to a law firm, but probably divorce related?
3 is to north eureka and with in the location of 2 murders of which i found the user "seagull" investigating into, ill show that link if i can.

Thank you to Sandy betts in regards to the eureka find who was helping seagull more than myself.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby relentlessz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:34 am

Are there many other suspects that have definitively established there whereabouts with regard to the crimes and also the suspected crimes in question?
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:36 am

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I wish i could elaborate more but take note of what harvey says when he changes the color of his pen on the same page.

Betty Wiggens? is not a name he mentions anywhere else to my knowledge.

Nadine deal? and there is a "2" that could be mistaken for a Z.

Look closesy at flog? choate, odd writing, underscored.

Harvey is cryptic even in plain text.


Pretty sure that name is Floy Choate, not sure if that would be a man or woman but Floy sort of sounds like a woman. The name to the left of it, double underlined, looks to be Luigi? A man's name.

NS Bearden would be his ex-wife Nancy.

The name Enneth Ford comes up a few more times. I think she is one on his list of "whores" in Napa, Vallejo and Benecia.

The other names are
Josephine Bradford
Jean Shawl
Betty Wiggins
Edwina Scott
Nadine Deal
Some girl
Dorothy

There appears to be "unknown" in Tracy, Vallejo and Benecia.

It would be interesting to know who those women are and what their relationship to Harvey was.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby relentlessz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:38 am

CuriousCat wrote:
Simplicity wrote:
This is very perculiar for a number of reasons but especially the time of and the context of that time in harvey's life.

A cheap shot but i'll take it, his "2" turns into a Z on page 2.


If he was sending letters like that to the Napa DA there is a good chance his name came up after the LB attack. Do we know what years Harvey drove the Sunbeam?


For sure in 1969. He speaks of it in the tapes I have. I've seen him mention the sunbeam in several of the documents as well.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:39 am

relentlessz wrote:Are there many other suspects that have definitively established there whereabouts with regard to the crimes and also the suspected crimes in question?


Yes, but I can't think of any who were established to be in Lompoc at that time.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:42 am

relentlessz wrote:
CuriousCat wrote:
Simplicity wrote:
This is very perculiar for a number of reasons but especially the time of and the context of that time in harvey's life.

A cheap shot but i'll take it, his "2" turns into a Z on page 2.


If he was sending letters like that to the Napa DA there is a good chance his name came up after the LB attack. Do we know what years Harvey drove the Sunbeam?


For sure in 1969. He speaks of it in the tapes I have. I've seen him mention the sunbeam in several of the documents as well.


OK, I thought so. I believe there is a photo of Esther Poon, at least I think it's Esther Poon, standing in front of it. It looks like a Sunbeam and was a silvery blue. I wonder about the car because according to the wheel measurements at LB it was a smaller type car, I do not know if a Sunbeam would fit the axle width at LB though. It's something I have meant to look into but haven't.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby Simplicity » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:44 am

I'm familiar with Floy choate, but harvey being who he is doesn't make spelling mistakes.

Flog choate is him intentionally being derogatory in my opinion, which is important in the context and manner of his writing in that document.

He is criptic in his writing but unintentionally, i don't know the word but it's criptic with out ever appearing to be so.

I don't use the word criptic to relate him to zodiac, it's more "clever" use of wording and spelling at times that is easily missed and provides different interpretations.

It just occurred to me that "flog" means "to beat someone... :? " flog choate :? that's not a nice discovery.

sorry i edit what i say continuously.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:47 am

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CuriousCat wrote:I'm finding it very difficult to post images here the size needed to read them. Hopefully this works.

Here's a note Harvey wrote about Mexico and escaping. We all know about Zodiac mentioning Mexico at LB. No date on this one but I found it very interesting.

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Any use of ! by harvey is rare and emphasis on what he is saying should and is correctly being placed on it. He was a Grammar Nazi.

my guess of authorship is circa 71-76, but does match the downbeat narrative i see between 66-69~ so basically i don't know :lol:


This may be the most interesting thing in all of the files.
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Re: Harvey F. Colliver

Postby CuriousCat » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:50 am

Simplicity wrote:I'm familiar with Floy choate, but harvey being who he is doesn't make spelling mistakes.

Flog choate is him intentionally being derogatory in my opinion, which is important in the context and manner of his writing in that document.

He is criptic in his writing but unintentionally, i don't know the word but it's criptic with out ever appearing to be so.

I don't use the word criptic to relate him to zodiac, it's more "clever" use of wording and spelling at times that is easily missed and provides different interpretations.


That looks like a y to me, not a g. I seem to recall the name Floy Choate being mentioned elsewhere in his files, but can't recall where.
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