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Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:56 pm
by truthandsoul
Here's a quick clip on the murders from when the bodies were found around August 25, 1990:

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Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:00 pm
by morf13
In mid 2009,When I first discovered the League City/Houston cases & letters and mentioned them as possible Zodiac crimes, I didn't think that Dennis Kauffman and crew would latch on to them as possible crimes of Jack Tarrance. Of course, I am skeptical of him being zodiac, and even more about 'evidence' presented over the years by Kauffman. I reached out early on to Tim Miller (Father of I45 murder victim,Laura Lynn Miller),and then eventually,I heard thru the grapevine that Kauffman did some time after me.

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:06 am
by jamesmsv
That I-45 corridor is a tough one considering the number of murders , am I right in thinking that's the 'Texas killing fields' area or have I got my highways mixed up?

The Miller letter is interesting, the girl goes missing 10years after the Red Phantom letter and it's mentioned in an almost off-hand way in the letter, I would expect a hoaxer to be less subtle (rather like the 'z' near the checkers on the top right of the envelope, that's a lot more clumsy). Has Traveller or anyone else done any work matching that letter to Z at all? I think it shows more promise than the reward demand from the other crime, but some things also don't ring true. Certainly worth a look imo, I'm willing to give it a go if it's not already been done/ no-one else with more experience fancies losing another couple of hours out of their life (I'd love to know how many hours Traveller has clocked up on his analyses, he must be as qualified as a true 'expert' by now surely, 10,000 hours is the benchmark I believe ).

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:59 am
by morf13
jamesmsv wrote:That I-45 corridor is a tough one considering the number of murders , am I right in thinking that's the 'Texas killing fields' area or have I got my highways mixed up?

The Miller letter is interesting, the girl goes missing 10years after the Red Phantom letter and it's mentioned in an almost off-hand way in the letter, I would expect a hoaxer to be less subtle (rather like the 'z' near the checkers on the top right of the envelope, that's a lot more clumsy). Has Traveller or anyone else done any work matching that letter to Z at all? I think it shows more promise than the reward demand from the other crime, but some things also don't ring true. Certainly worth a look imo, I'm willing to give it a go if it's not already been done/ no-one else with more experience fancies losing another couple of hours out of their life (I'd love to know how many hours Traveller has clocked up on his analyses, he must be as qualified as a true 'expert' by now surely, 10,000 hours is the benchmark I believe ).


The handwriting on it has been heavily traced,so i don't know how easy it is to compare. Somebody said that the writing is done in such a way to match the sign or business card of Corvette Concepts in League City. Corvette concepts was the site or a triple homicide. In fashioning the writing to match the corvette concepts sign/business card, the writer seemed to be linking themselves to the corvette murders. We have seen Zodiac do this. In the letter to Belli, it was discovered by Ricardo if memory serves, that Zodiac changed his writing to mimic the house number on Belli's house,meaning he likely was there at some point.

The flip side of the letter with the pasted magazine pieced also fits the questioned Lass letters-

*Made from cut out pieces of newspaper/magazine

*There is a message to the reader from either the top, or the bottom, so like a playing card,you could turn either end up and read a message. This is a highly unusual feature that I have ever only seen done before this letter, on the Lass mailings.

*The writer(paster)basically says, police will never catch him

*Upsdide down cross resembles Zodiac symbol

*Refers to themselves as Phantom

*Mentions that they left fake clues,'SuperFudge',much like Zodiac used airplane glue according to him

The letter smacks of zodiac, without mentioning Zodiac. The subject matter, words,phrasing clues, etc of this letter, as well as that of the Lindy Sue Biechler letter, are the two best examples I have seen to date of letters very similar to zodiac.

Traveller1st is welcome to look at the writing in this letter, but I don't know how well he would do due to heavy tracing,and what may be eraser marks.

Here's some links to articles on the corvette murders-
http://thepolicenews.net/html/gcpnmar06final.pdf
http://thepolicenews.net/html/TPNMar11.pdf

Like Zodiac at Berryessa, the corvette murderer used both a knife & gun. Unless there was more than one killer, it would be hard to kill multiple people with a knife,that is unless you controlled them with a gun, and then stabbed them. The guy that was shot,police theorize, may have walked in on the crime. The lack of motive in the case is what makes it so interesting.

This is a good site about the I-45 killings, and has good info on Laura Lynn Miller-
http://psu-sk.tripod.com/frames/i45-calder.html

Trav,if you want to take a stab at it, here you go,again, I don't know what you will find,as I see signs of tracing and possible eraser use

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:26 am
by entropy
Hmm... I'm not necessarily suggesting a connection but there are some eerie similarities to BTK (Dennis Rader) in this card.

- It refers to "more projects to come" (Rader referred to his potential victims as "projects", assigning specific project names to each).

- It refers to "Officer Pat Cereal Profile Process work" (Rader sent one communication in a Special K cereal box as a witty allusion to himself as a "cereal killer").

- It refers to "the Phantom" (Rader offered suggestions for his own moniker as serial killer including the "Garrote Phantom").

- It refers to "My MO changes" (Rader was well aware of "M.O.", including a section devoted to M.O. in his puzzle and stating in a letter "Since sex criminals do not change their M.O. or by nature cannot do so, I will not change mine".

- It refers to "this monster in me" (Rader: "Where this monster enter my brain I will never know. But, it here to stay").

- The "word association" clues (railway, attack, neighbors) reminds me a lot of the BTK word search puzzle.

- A letter sent to a victim's family member (Rader mailed a poem and drawing to a woman whose husband (Phillip Fager) and two daughters were murdered and long suspected to be BTK victims).

- The overall juvenile humor, the "666' and doodles, false return address name and even the possible allusion to Zodiac (Z) all remind me of Rader.


Definitely some huge psychological similarities here if nothing else although Rader was known to stalk outside of his home area and take credit for victims he didn't kill. FWIW, Houston is roughly 600 miles from Wichita.

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:32 am
by morf13
Good stuff Entropy, I am not familiar enough with BTK to comment one way or another

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:51 pm
by morf13
Something is stirring behind the scenes regarding this possible Zodiac connection to the Houston/League City crimes & letters. I have been contacted by multiple people, not connected to each other(I dont think)in the last 24 hrs, interested in a Zodiac connection to that area, pretty odd how I posted this possible connection back in 2009 and it just sat on multiple forums for 4 years, and now there is sudden interest :shock:

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:48 pm
by morf13
I just updated the Lass thread with this info regarding the security guard who was a POI in the Donna Lass case. He wound up living in Houston.

George Victor Jonasson, age 64, of Houston, Texas, passed away April 7, 2009 after a brief illness. Born June 22, 1944 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada he was predeceased by his Mother and Father, sister, brother, and wife Dorothy Huckleberry. Vic is survived by his wife Naureen (Gardner) Buck, four stepchildren; Diana Leck Vasquez (Joe) of Houston, Texas, Robert Leck (Denise) of Liberty Hill, Texas, Christine Lessore (Edward) of Oakham, Massachusetts, Michael Cournoyer (Mandi) of Merryville, Louisiana, and ten grandchildren. A graduate of the University of North Dakota, he was a teacher for several years. The remainder of his career was spent in sales, most recently for Robbins Brothers Jewelers, until his retirement last fall. Vic never met a stranger. His funny and lovable personality made everyone he met at ease. He will be greatly missed. A memorial service will be held Saturday April 18, 2009 at 1:00 P.M. at Carnes Funeral home in Texas City.

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:40 pm
by AK Wilks
Entropy: "- It refers to "Officer Pat Cereal Profile Process work" (Rader sent one communication in a Special K cereal box as a witty allusion to himself as a "cereal killer").

AK Wilks: That is very interesting. In his word puzzle he also called himself a LOST PET OFFICER, and here there is OFFICER PAT. I am making an allusion to the similarity in PET OFFICER/PAT OFFICER.

I know the murders were in 1983. When were the letters sent in?

Re: Zodiac in Houston TX area?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:50 am
by entropy
The BTK letter referring to his not changing M.O., the Garrote Phantom and the "monster entering his brain" was sent during his initial spree in the mid 70s. The cereal box communication was shortly before his arrest in 2005. Nobody knew of him referring to potential victims as "projects", which I find the most interesting comparison, until after his arrest.