by Bayarea60s » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:58 am
Welsh Stated:
"No - I'm referring to a guy who was apparently picked up and brought to the crime scene so that one of the kids across the street could take a closer look at him.
I can't remember where I came across this - but I do remember that it was in connection with Mr X (as he was known then)."
KjelI wasn't known as Mr. X in 1969... That label was put on him in the Z boards. By those who wanted to press their theory, and were intimated by Kjell's threats to legally deal with them, that's where Mr. X came from. They were the only folks intimidated by Kjell, and these same folks wish to sell that somehow the entire SFPD was intimidated by Kjell, no it was only those on the Z Boards who were intimidated. If you doubt that go back and read through TV's Board
"also remember that A. Pelissetti stated that this man was NOT Kjell Q. Did Butterfield interview Pelissetii? If so, it could have been during this interview that the incident was mentioned."
How are we to remember something that no one has ever heard from AP's mouth? You're telling the board to remember this statement and then you state you don't even know where it came from. I question this kind of logic.
"Yeah I had heard whispers of that story that says a cop placed a suspect in the back of their car and I think in the version I heard someone at the scene who see's the guy placed in the patrol car asks the Officers why he's been place in the front of the patrol car and not the back and notices he not handcuffed and the cop says something to the effect of "He's not under arrest."
Ahhhhhhhh, that's why Armond is claiming he walked down Cherry to Jackson, because they are keeping it hush hush that Pelissetti actually drove Kjell away from Jackson & Maple back passed the crime scene. Of course! Makes total sense.
To You it makes sense, cause you've already created your own theory, well it's not even your theory, someone else invented it. So AP takes a suspect, back to the scene has the kid walk out from his house,, go up to the cop car, ID KJell, and then AP tells the kid ok junior TY go back to your house now? Wow, wonder cause by now mom and dad are at the house. Being a parent if some cop suggested that I'd tell him to go to hell. You're not setting my family up. And then they wouldn't arrest Kjell on the spot? Wasn't that the purpose of supposedly doing this, if they got an ID from the kid then they would have good cause to arrest the guy. except if they did anything to Kjell the DA would have to throw it out, and never use that kid as a witness again. The witness has been tainted, cause SFPD wouldn't be following standard procedure on ID'ing a suspect, you know in a line up where the kid is totally protected from the suspect. Also, AP picks up Kjell to take to kids to ID as a possible murderer, now AP of course throws all caution to the wind, he doesn't pat Kjell down, can't see the bulges in Kjell's pockets, a gun, Stine's shirt, wallet and keys, can't smell the blood from the shirt, just simply allows a maybe killer to enter his squad car, and then takes him in front of this kid, armed and dangerous.
And the SFPD did all this cause???? they never wanted to solve the case, and were afraid of KQ? See that's what you are buying into. The only one afraid of KJell, again was those posting on boards and Kjell let them know if they didn't stop it he'd sue the crap out of them, he'd shut down the sites, and rightly so, unless you have some evidence. So they the board folks labelled him Mr. X.
Rite i'll put my entire reputation on this next claim.....
" I am going to say now that, should this FOIA request be successful like the previous and they have released another suspects name, then I will say it now and do so with confidence that the unredacted full sentence will read: "FOR INFO IDENT DIVISION, SAN FRANCISCO PD ADVISED EIGHT YEAR OLD WITNESS IN MURDER OF CAB DRIVER IDENTIFIED QVALE AS POSSIBLE SUBJECT IN THE MATTER"
That's it for me, it's plain and obvious why Armond is lying about walking back to that area, because he picked Kjell up after finding him lurking on the drive of 3712 and takes him back to the scene (again doesn't pat Kjell down at all...) and passed the witnesses who confirm "Yes, that's the man who did it." This is then why the document specifically states that eight year old witnesses not names a suspect, but IDENTIFIES a suspect, because he was at the scene when they brought Kjell back."
So Kjell is Id'd, SFPD ignores it, the FBI ignores it. That makes sense.
If the FOIA is successful and the release the name of the suspect that was seen by the eight year old, then I am absolutely adamant and 100% confident that it will be QUALE who is 'Identified.'
Could be bad news for all of us waiting on FOIA's. I heard last week on the news the President had put a big cabash on FOIA requests, I haven't heard the details of what he has done, and to what extent this roadblock will cause folks, but it could be significant to all requests, I don't know.
I said all along Zodiac isn't making a direct threat to a bus full of school kids, that threat is symbolic and represents the eight year old that Kjell knows positively identified him as the taxi drivers murder, and subsequently, Zodiac.
I wondered and several of us have discussed the point of Zodiac owning up and taking responsibility for the murder when he knows that three teens, aswel as two cops have seen his face! He could have just said nothing and it would be, probably to this day, an unsolved botched robbery attempt and not linked to Zodiac."
Again this is false, you're ignoring the known facts. Z, while in the cab, takes the keys, Stine's Wallet, and tears off a piece of Stine's shirt. He knows what he's going to do with the shirt as he's ripping it. And he does just what he had planned, so nothing had happened that would have altered that plan
That's why he couldn't wait to get that letter off in the post because Kjell isn't going to go knock the door of these witnesses to threaten them, so he knows this letter will be pasted all over the Chronicle and, whereas before I couldn't really make sense of why he's owned up after being seen by police, I now see why he'd have every reason to write and admit it to let that little eight year old kid know exactly who he's messing with..... I am not just some random cab driver killer, I am the Most wanted, and dangerous, man in California! That school children make nice targets was school child will be a target if he doesn't keep his mouth shut.
I doubt this child ever got near a Chronicle, or got to hear any news reports on TV. That would be the norm response by parents, to protect their child. Be absolutely no reason why a parent is going to allow their child to relive the nightmare they've already seen.
" Zodiac even went on to admit it was not ever even about a school bus and states it as thought they re idiots for even thinking that. He says "If you cops think I am going to take on a school bus the way I stated I would, you deserve to have holes in your heads." In other words "Stop following school busses with armed guards you idiots, I was threatening the kid who saw and identified me."
This reasoning of Z's always makes me laugh, the cops are the idiots for reacting to a homicidal maniac. Who deserves to have the holes in their heads Z? This was your idea Z, not LE's. Once Z saw how the police reacted, he thought he would use it against the police. But if anyone thought about it, it was the maniacs idiotic idea. And who knows it may have just pissed Z off to see the reaction of police dept's. throughout the Bay Area, and stopped him from his plan. There are no other known words, let alone to put them in quotes, as if anyone knows just what Z was thinking
" Kjell was caught that night because he hung around the cab as though he didn't give a sh*t." Really,I thought his actions were to cover his trails, get his trophies and split. The kids never stated he was just killing time, or just hanging around the cab. But hanging around 3712 Jackson, that makes sense to you. whatever...
"Thats why the current SFPD Chief threatens his detectives to stay away from the file and case not only in official police work time, but also he said they'd be fired if they tried to investigate it on their own after work and in their own time (according to whom???). That again explains why Mysteryquest was told 'No' when asking for DNA they hold potentially from Zodiact so they could compare it to Gaik....SFPD are do0ne with it because those with a 'Need to know' basis already know the case is solved and Kjell Qvale was Zodiac."
LE always looks at the evidence in a case as a needs to know basis. Maybe the chief is saying look I know about all these Z sleuths out there, and they'll take up time we don't have. The Stine Case was but one murder in a string of thousands in the past 45 years. We have to deal with today's murders and not chase ghosts that have been investigated. That's what you're assigned to do, that's your job. the Zodiac Case was other folks jobs in their days, that's what they were paid to do.
"That's why he stopped killing. (You don't know that at all) We've all been told that these type of killers don't just stop because they can't. I've also said over and over how Zodiac is an attention seeking, publicity craving media whore who overnight decides "I shall no longer announce my kills..." (that's right the persona of Z was attention seeking. You think the person we knew as Z began his killing hobby on 12/20/68? and quit on 10/11/69? I think he killed before the Bay Area ever knew him as Z, and there's no reason for me to think he stopped on 10/11/69. He said he wouldn't. He just stopped writing about it, like he did before he became Z.
"Yeah, because you had to and had to stop killing because they knew who you are! I bet you SFPD took possession of Paul's wallet from Kjell himself!" [b](And they missed the shirt?)
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SFPD knew who Z was and did nothing about it, and that to you would be a reason to stop? That makes no sense. That would be a great reason to continue. Hey, they're not going to do anything about it because its Kjell, and now, according to you Kjell knows this, so might as well continue, In SF anyway. Narlow and others may not share this free pass to murderers, as you believe SFPD does. But what you just stated here gives Kjell a free pass for life to kill in the City.
The persona that's painted about Kjell, has been painted by those who didn't even know the man. Was he assertive, no nonsense, bold, I bet he was. you don't do what he did in life by being meek. All those qualities are the exact opposite of Z. Z is a coward, he kills in isolated places mostly, and always runs away and hides. He lives in fear, the fear of being caught. He is only bold in print, in his writings, never in his actions. He is and always will be a coward. The exact opposite of Kjell.
Also - anyone who's in the habit of dancing around a 20ft owl should be considered a suspect in my book!