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It was long ago that I became aware that Cherry St also has a entrance walkway through over the little 3 ft or so wall, the same as Maple Street does. When I saw this first I was quite shocked to discover it there. Naturally, knowing that was there as an option for Zodiac, I questioned why he didn't use as a it's far quicker access into the darker, undergroath and forested area. I then started a post in which a I rant that obviously Zodiac could not have been very familiar with Presidio Heights and simply was not aware it was there. That is one possibility. But I don't know why I hadn't really though of this before but here is the opposite to the above theory...

Zodiac knew very well that there was an entrance at the top of Cherry St, and it wasn't by accident that he did not elect to use it because there may have been reason for him to stay on the public road heading for some other location. If Zodiac knew of Cherry st entrance and ignored using it for the preference of walking along Jackson, then I would instantly assume this to be a strong indication that Zodiac had no intension nor reason to go into or towards JK Park because if he had wanted to get to that area, Cherry St would be a no brainer. What does the known facts seem to indicate? Well:

1. Zodiac gave his destination in the Richmond District as Washington & Maple Streets.
2. Z seemed to ignore Cherry St' and its far more convenient entrance and seemed for some reason to head down Jackson Toward Maple.
3. No witness has been found and clarified that he was ever seen 'dashing into the Presidio'.
4. The last location we can place him at was on the grounds of 3712 Jackson St.
5. Zodiac Was close enough by to be able to know the details of the resulting search
6. FBI report states that an 8 year old child saw a man that he recognized by name on Oct 11 and reported it to police.

(The FBI report is very general and no specifics at all so it does not allow the reader to know at what location this Eight year old saw the man he knew, now what he seen to make him feel the need to report his suspicions. Maybe it was Blood on his jacket, maybe it was his ducking behind a fence or car when a car was approaching or whatever. But something gave him cause and reason to approach Police.)

looking at it like that as a whole series of linked events, it then it suddenly seems to make sense, at least to me. Here is what I think happened...

Zodiac hails Stine and gives his destination as W'ton & M'le for a reason... he is planning on heading into a property close by so he can watch and scene unfold after the discovery of the cab. He may have saw a familiar face while he got near Maple and asked Paul to go on an extra block. This then would mean that if Zodiac had always wanted and intended to dash off onto W. Pacific Av. for its cover advantage, then he had a entrance rite at the top of Cherry to use. He ignores that and the presidio and instead seems to take a far bigges unnecessary risk by staying on the street. Zodiac wasn't stupidly taking such a risk because he was a bit wet behind the ears, he may very well have stayed on the street path because he was heading straight for a home close by. This would be entirely consistent with the eight year old witness seeing someone that night and saying he knew the man and gave his name. I'm wondering now if this eight year old was in or near 3712 Jackson, the house that Fouke claims Zodiac was last seen heading toward. Maybe the kid saw flashing red and blue's outside as Don Fouke slowly rolled past and he went to see what was going on outside his house and upon looking out of his window, saw 'Zodiac face to face walking toward him and knew him from so and so 7 doors down for example? I mean I have said for a long time, with many objections by other, that ZOidac threat that 'School Children make nice targets' is not a general threat at all, it's a specific threat to that child's life and why, well because we know that the kid gave LE a name, and if LE had been to speak to this man, and it was Zodiac, the kid named in relation to the Stine murder, then the Zodiac would know instantly who had gave his name to the Law because he and the child had stared at each other face to face. If the threat aimed at school children is direct threat to this young 8 year old, then it's almost certain whoever that kid saw and named, is Zodiac. Again I was recently tryingmy best to work out exactly why it was that Zodiac, knowing that he been seen by police, would even write and say that "Zodiac" was actually the culprite when nobody would have have ever suspected or known it was anything to do with Zodiac if he'd keptnhis mouth shut and said nothing. But not 48 hours pass and he's now lt the police know that the face they saw that night wasn't just any face, but that it was the face of Zodiac. Why would he do such a stupid thing for no reason? Well, he (Z) knew fully well that he and this Eight year old had seen each other eye to eye that night on the 11th and knew exactly who the child was and knew exactly that the child knew him by sight and name. So, Zodiac knew that he would be doing a fairly silly thing by telling Law Enforcement that the face they saw was a not any old random one, that was actually Zodiac. He knows the police officers that saw him will mentally try their best to look out for him now in future. So it's stupid. But, what would the biggest concern be, two cops who don't know you, or an Eight year old witness who does and saw you? He needs to get a message to that kid and the only really threat he can make is via letter and whilw it may look general, it may have been specific and that's why the letter arrived within 48 HRS.

Welsh Chappie wrote:
4. The last location we can place him at was on the grounds of 3712 Jackson St.

Ah..but in the scratch/memo Fouke last reports seeing him turn north on Maple...so...?? You have pointed Fouke's inconsistencies out a lot. Why now do you take his word for 3712 Jackson? (asking genuinely)

3712 Jackson was a youth probation employee living (Bloch).

6. FBI report states that an 8 year old child saw a man that he recognized by name on Oct 11 and reported it to police.

Where is that report? Never seen that one before...thx

QT

Tahoe27 wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:
4. The last location we can place him at was on the grounds of 3712 Jackson St.

Ah..but in the scratch/memo Fouke last reports seeing him turn north on Maple...so...?? You have pointed Fouke's inconsistencies out a lot. Why now do you take his word for 3712 Jackson? (asking genuinely)

"Ah..but in the scratch/memo Fouke last reports seeing him turn north on Maple...so...??"

So... What do you think he's going to say considering the circumstances? Remember that they had just concentrated all efforts on a huge search of the grounds behind the residency of 3712 Jackson and along West Pacific. Do you think he is likely to then report that "Suspect last seen turning onto house pathway and heading toward a house". If he wrote that his superiors would probably be furious that he hadn't said this at the time on the street. Fouke said that he didn't originally mention this fact because he didn't think that if that man were the killer, he didn't really live there and was probably only turning toward the house to evade the squad car.
What makes me believe Fouke about the man turning and heading toward the house is a comment he makes in another part of the memo. ""Light colored Hair, possibly greying at rear." How would Fouke have seen the back of his head be able to make this comment? Well, if the suspect had done what Fouke later said he did, and turned and escalated the steps onto a pathway, then this would mean that as Fouke was driving rite by him, the man would have his back to Fouke. Plus it seems to make sense, the Zodiac would very likely panic when confronted with a marked patrol car just yards away and heading straight toward him and, acting on pure instinct to avoid them, turned into a driveway.
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Quicktrader wrote:3712 Jackson was a youth probation employee living (Bloch).

6. FBI report states that an 8 year old child saw a man that he recognized by name on Oct 11 and reported it to police.

Where is that report? Never seen that one before...thx

QT

Hold on QT, I will get it and post it here for you now.

Here is the page that can be found in the Official Online Vault of FBI files and records....

And QT I know that Helen Bloch was one of the Youth Probation Officers. But I am not trying to suggest she was The Zodiac lol. Although I have discovered that Helen's Brother, Paul, lived right in the area where Zodiac was picked up by Stine. His addy was 5 3rd Street, San Fran

And Tahoe, another thing I forgot to mention as to why I believe Fouke on his 3712 Jackson account is because not only would Zodiac have been nervous to see Foue approaching and simply turned away to hide his face, but he would have been covered in blood all down the front of his clothes. He would have every reason to turn his back to the cops due to the saturated blood all down his trousers, and therefor allowing Fouke to see the back of his head which he makes reference to in the Memo. It makes sense.

And do you know what Industry Helen's husband was involved in? Textiles. That brought back to mind what Bryan Hartnell said of Z's costume and symbol "And it had about a 4 inch crossed circle on it which looked like it had been made with some kind of machine or care and attention, it wasn't just scrawled on with white paint, it was proportional".

All circumstantial, maybe even coincidental info but worth a mention none the less.