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Victor wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:
"He's not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn't a nut case operating on impulsive desire's to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don't believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he's more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?

On the assumption that he were mentally ill, despite people all over the world working on this case, he's managed to fend off his discovery this long, kept them bickering over details like which way a victim's head was turned and whether or not LH was a robbery etc..., and trying to crack useless ciphers. Ingenious, more like it.

Yes, I believe he was very intelligent as well as being mentally ill. The assumption that a person cannot be both extremely intelligent as well as mentally ill is completely incorrect. In fact, it's the opposite. Take Stephen Fry for example. IQ: 'approaching genius'. Mental Health: Suffers from Bipolar Disorder. "Research has indicated that bipolar disorder may be up to four times more common in young people who were straight-A students" claims Psych-Central, the Internet’s largest and oldest independent mental health social network run by mental health professionals.

I have come across many people who believe that Zodiac couldn't have been mentally ill as he was intelligent enough to avoid capture all these years. Mental Illness has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, nor does it effect it. You could suffer from severe psychosis and, during psychotic delusions believe that Leprechauns are residing in your garden shed, and yet, despite this, your intellectual capacity will remain the same, so you may still show an IQ score of 140+

Welsh Chappie wrote:

Victor wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:
"He's not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn't a nut case operating on impulsive desire's to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don't believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he's more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?

On the assumption that he were mentally ill, despite people all over the world working on this case, he's managed to fend off his discovery this long, kept them bickering over details like which way a victim's head was turned and whether or not LH was a robbery etc..., and trying to crack useless ciphers. Ingenious, more like it.

Yes, I believe he was very intelligent as well as being mentally ill. The assumption that a person cannot be both extremely intelligent as well as mentally ill is completely incorrect. In fact, it's the opposite. Take Stephen Fry for example. IQ: 'approaching genius'. Mental Health: Suffers from Bipolar Disorder. "Research has indicated that bipolar disorder may be up to four times more common in young people who were straight-A students" claims Psych-Central, the Internet’s largest and oldest independent mental health social network run by mental health professionals.

I have come across many people who believe that Zodiac couldn't have been mentally ill as he was intelligent enough to avoid capture all these years. Mental Illness has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, nor does it effect it. You could suffer from severe psychosis and, during psychotic delusions believe that Leprechauns are residing in your garden shed, and yet, despite this, your intellectual capacity will remain the same, so you may still show an IQ score of 140+

Sorry to keep repeating but "he" was only using The Z. as a cover which came with bluffs, "bussy work" (i.e. ciphers, "clews", etc...) "He" was really not like that.
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... 4228#p4228

With respect, you can repeat it 100 times, the fact is, you cannot "Know' the character of the man behind the Zodiac persona without having personal knowledge of who 'he' was. Same goes for your assertion that ''He' was only using Zodiac as a cover. Again, I'll now also repeat what I stated hours ago. Unless you can show reasonable grounds, facts and/or evidence for which you are basing these theories on, then they don't hold any credibility in my opinion. I could say 'He' was not from this Solar System, that is why he called himself 'Zodiac' as he was a space traveller who came here from the Zeta Reticuli star system. Don't think that I'd convert many people and get the to endorse my latest theory because I am simply making it up off the top of my head. While I can see that there may be some grounds to question the authenticity of 'Zodiac', by that I mean, was he really just another serial killer assigning a unique name to himself alongside such others as BTK, Son of Sam etc, or did he have another hidden agenda for which the 'Zodiac' persona was created with the specific intension for the character tp be short term, and serve as a distraction.
But, there is absolutely no basis for which anyone can claim to know what 'He' was really like in his life outside of Zodiac, you'd have to know the man who created the persona to be able to state what you just stated.

Welsh Chappie wrote:With respect, you can repeat it 100 times, the fact is, you cannot "Know' the character of the man behind the Zodiac persona without having personal knowledge of who 'he' was. Same goes for your assertion that ''He' was only using Zodiac as a cover. Again, I'll now also repeat what I stated hours ago. Unless you can show reasonable grounds, facts and/or evidence for which you are basing these theories on, then they don't hold any credibility in my opinion. I could say 'He' was not from this Solar System, that is why he called himself 'Zodiac' as he was a space traveller who came here from the Zeta Reticuli star system. Don't think that I'd convert many people and get the to endorse my latest theory because I am simply making it up off the top of my head. While I can see that there may be some grounds to question the authenticity of 'Zodiac', by that I mean, was he really just another serial killer assigning a unique name to himself alongside such others as BTK, Son of Sam etc, or did he have another hidden agenda for which the 'Zodiac' persona was created with the specific intension for the character tp be short term, and serve as a distraction.
But, there is absolutely no basis for which anyone can claim to know what 'He' was really like in his life outside of Zodiac, you'd have to know the man who created the persona to be able to state what you just stated.

Well, I gave you a general idea as to what he was probably like but if you're looking for his favorite TV shows, favorite beer, what are his thoughts on abortion, then I'm sorry, matey, but I just don't have that information. If you want to fixate on his death machine and who made his hood, I'll not criticize you for it.

Putting aside your silly, childish, and above all, failed attempt at ridicule and accusation of my obsession with Zodiac's hood and Death Machine, i'm not going to respond to you by telling you why you are wrong because I would be biased towards me lol. I'll let you see what others have written about me in messages, and regarding the site I wrote.

Exhibit A:

"Lawrence Kane analysis:
Welsh Chappie, a frequent visitor on ZodiackillerSite forum, has his own website, outlining his belief the Zodiac could possibly be Lawrence Kane and tables a long analysis of his possible suspect, in extensive detail. His site can be found at http://welshchappie.wordpress.com/ .

Link to the web page where above comment can be seen: http://www.pnyxe.com/PnyxeDiscussIt.jsp ... 961&v=1006

Exhibit B: Personal Message by another site member: "I do appreciate your posts and think you are a fine researcher."

Exhibit C: Comment left by a visitor to my web site, still posted for you to clarify: "Congratulations on a very well informed and clearly structured website. Its refreshing to read an analysis that doesn’t seek to claim fame for the author."

Link to my web site that shows above comment: http://wp.me/p2ZA7s-4


Now, i'm going to eagerly sit back and wait for you to tell me what positive feedback your 'research' has acquired. Other than shouting 'Bluff' 'Z Distraction' and 'More than 1', is there anything else that you have done to help uncover facts, data, etc that benefits the who Zodiac community? Or have you always just made theories up based on nothing other than 'because I said so' logic?

"Well, I gave you a general idea as to what he was probably like"

I know. I.... I..... I don't know what to say, Sir. I am so honoured that you have told me what Zodiac would have been like.... This is emotional.... I think I'm going to cry.

On the other hand, maybe I won't. I think I can be trusted to come to my own conclusions as to what Zodiac may or may not have been like, not that that is very important, or as you said earlier, 'A minor point'.
And you have hit the proverbial nail upon the proverbial head with the latter questions regarding Z. I spend countless nights unable to sleep, lying there staring into space asking myself the same question in my head over and over: "What does Zodiac think about abortion?" I mean, if your looking for someone likely to have a moralistic concern for the well being and preservation of life, then Zodiac is your man! I was going to start visiting every store in the City of San Francisco, armed with my Zodiac wanted composite and show it to every store owner and ask "Take a look at this picture carefully and tell me if you recognise him as someone who frequents this establishment, if you do, then could you tell me... What brand of alcohol did the man purchase? But, unfortunately, I did not have time to conduct the survey because I got distracted by my Obsession with Black hood's and Zodiac's 'Death Machine'.

Everything I just stated above is 100% truthful and accurate, all except the bit's that are not and I just made up.

Welsh Chappie wrote: "Well, I gave you a general idea as to what he was probably like"

I know. I.... I..... I don't know what to say, Sir. I am so honoured that you have told me what Zodiac would have been like.... This is emotional.... I think I'm going to cry.

On the other hand, maybe I won't. I think I can be trusted to come to my own conclusions as to what Zodiac may or may not have been like, not that that is very important, or as you said earlier, 'A minor point'.
And you have hit the proverbial nail upon the proverbial head with the latter questions regarding Z. I spend countless nights unable to sleep, lying there staring into space asking myself the same question in my head over and over: "What does Zodiac think about abortion?" I mean, if your looking for someone likely to have a moralistic concern for the well being and preservation of life, then Zodiac is your man! I was going to start visiting every store in the City of San Francisco, armed with my Zodiac wanted composite and show it to every store owner and ask "Take a look at this picture carefully and tell me if you recognise him as someone who frequents this establishment, if you do, then could you tell me... What brand of alcohol did the man purchase? But, unfortunately, I did not have time to conduct the survey because I got distracted by my Obsession with Black hood's and Zodiac's 'Death Machine'.

Everything I just stated above is 100% truthful and accurate, all except the bit's that are not and I just made up.

Sir,
I realize that responding to others with differing theories, opinions, and perspectives can get hostile quickly.
And I sincerely apologize if I came across as a "know-it-all", in disagreement with your theories, opinions, and perspectives, as it
wasn't my intent; I had even consulted with two other members as I began commenting here hoping that wasn't the case.

I have my theory The Z. was simply a cover for himself and not a serial killer who committed LB and SF with letters and ciphers as a marketing
campaign. Once the need for cover subsided, he simply stopped. Even you have a similar theory: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... tman#p4160

I am sorry if I misunderstood your question, what I have guessed about what he was like is what I have concluded from his actions - two murders of out a necessity, followed by an effort to cover his tracks, including two murders, subsequent distracting threatening letters and vanishing. I believe creating a criminal psychological profile from a cover solely intended to rile the police and terrorize the public would be inaccurate.

Very best regards

Being new to site I am just reading this stuff that is why my post comes at this late date. I am from S.F. been here all my life but have to admit I never went up that way in those days so am not sure how things looked then. Don't know either how long these trails or Inspiration point have been there. However I think when Army turned the Presidio over to private foundation is when at least these trails were created. I have walked up there a few times recently and you have to be in decent shape to walk them. Don't know if suspect who had a lumbering walk could have climbed some of these steep paths in a decent amount of time if ever. Also not sure if point was around then but I think cops would have checked there that night but who knows. Pacific Ave seems like it could work as he could have gotten away quickly and disappeared easily taking Calif ST. or Geary or many other smaller Sts.

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