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UKSpycatcher wrote:On Tom Voigt's site it states the teenagers at Presidio Heights said the suspect looked 25-30. Where is the official confirmation or police report they ever stated this. Where did Tom Voigt get this information from.

The first composite says 25-30:

The revised one says 35-45:

This is what's so frustrating....didn't Fouke claim he never assisted in creating the sketch? Then why do we have a revised version? Maybe they changed it to match what he mentioned in his scratch? Then again, we have the possibility of other unknown witnesses. One thing that causes more questions than answers is that SFPD never released any of it's reports about the case. SO Z was 25-45 & wore glasses,that's all we really know

Fouke's memo is dated November 12, 1969, a full month after Stine's murder.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FoukeReport.html

The two composites were created October 13th and 18th, the last one was drawn three weeks before Fouke created the memo. The second composite apparently was not drawn with Fouke's memo in mind.

The most frustrating thing about the Stine murder is the lack of available reports.

morf13 wrote:This is what's so frustrating....didn't Fouke claim he never assisted in creating the sketch? Then why do we have a revised version? Maybe they changed it to match what he mentioned in his scratch? Then again, we have the possibility of other unknown witnesses. One thing that causes more questions than answers is that SFPD never released any of it's reports about the case. SO Z was 25-45 & wore glasses,that's all we really know

I just read through this entire post. The older posts from JDean state that the first sketch took input from both the Robbins kids, and that the artist then decided it would be better to do it with just the input of the more observant one as opposed to multiple people (kids). The revision in age may have come from Fouke, but I am not sure from JDean's account and interviews whether the sketch was actually revised per his input, or just the kids. The only thing I can think of regarding age input is that teenagers often think age 30 looks a lot older than it actually does.

I agree, Seagull - frustrating about the reports.

Could it not have been Fouke's partner who assisted in the sketch?

Soze

Soze wrote:Could it not have been Fouke's partner who assisted in the sketch?

Soze

Possible, buy why wouldn't they ask Fouke for input too? No matter how or why it changed, it definitely resembles more of what Fouke said he saw in Z,right down to Widow's Peak hairline

I don't know. A lot is talked about what Fouke did or didn't do and/or how his actions may relate to Zodiac statements. Not much is said about his partner. Maybe his partner was a better cop and came forward with the information especially after seeing the first composite. Higher ups then might have questioned Fauke in terms of what he might have seen, perhaps to the point of, questioning why he didn't report what he knew. Might explain why he came out with his memo. Maybe it wasn't Z he was writing this for.

Soze

I remember reading about the taxi robberies before Paul Stine was murdered and I'm betting someone has addressed this before but, the first poster dated 10-13 mentions robberies and the homicide and gives 3 different case numbers. Was the description given by the cab drivers of the "robbers" so close to the composite that the sketch artists lumped the cases all together for that poster?

Itsapuzzle wrote:I remember reading about the taxi robberies before Paul Stine was murdered and I'm betting someone has addressed this before but, the first poster dated 10-13 mentions robberies and the homicide and gives 3 different case numbers. Was the description given by the cab drivers of the "robbers" so close to the composite that the sketch artists lumped the cases all together for that poster?

Are any of those other cabbies still alive, or are there case files for those robberies? Those other cabbies likely came face to face with Zodiac.

This could explain why Z's MO shifts from young couples to a single cab driver - perhaps Z's life situation had changed and he was in need of money. So now we know (perhaps) why he took Paul's wallet - that was likely the objective in the first place.

I'll throw this out there... wasn't this about the time Tim Sullivan went to Canada? If Ross was Z, perhaps he suddenly found himself having to be self-supporting for a while.

Marshall wrote:

Itsapuzzle wrote:I remember reading about the taxi robberies before Paul Stine was murdered and I'm betting someone has addressed this before but, the first poster dated 10-13 mentions robberies and the homicide and gives 3 different case numbers. Was the description given by the cab drivers of the "robbers" so close to the composite that the sketch artists lumped the cases all together for that poster?

Are any of those other cabbies still alive, or are there case files for those robberies? Those other cabbies likely came face to face with Zodiac.

This could explain why Z's MO shifts from young couples to a single cab driver - perhaps Z's life situation had changed and he was in need of money. So now we know (perhaps) why he took Paul's wallet - that was likely the objective in the first place.

I'll throw this out there... wasn't this about the time Tim Sullivan went to Canada? If Ross was Z, perhaps he suddenly found himself having to be self-supporting for a while.

Just going off the top of my head here, but I believe the cab drivers were killed. One might have lived. I know for the one most resembling the Zodiac case, there was a young couple involved and I believe an arrest was made.

There was some talk of one of them here: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=742&p=5074&hilit=charles+jarman#p5074