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Your scenario is possible - not sure there would have been enough time for the guy to get to the corner and turn north onto Maple, before Fouke drove the one block to Cherry and made the left - unless he was driving real slow, and you would assume the opposite.

Where did Fouke say that he called him over from the steps?

Xcaliber wrote:
Where did Fouke say that he called him over from the steps?

Fouke denies ever having spoke to him. They merely rolled by slowly and he took a look at him.

C Cat, That's the way I understood it as well.

Something related:

In my opinion the timeline doesn't line up if Fouke and Zelms were on Presidio Ave and Washington when the APB went out.

Pelissetti and Peda assumedly got the same APB, yet Pelissetti's report describes him arriving at the scene and doing all sorts of things, before finally starting up Cherry on foot to look for the suspect.

It wasn't until he was walking up Cherry that Fouke and Zelms arrived.

Donald Fouke said he got the second radio dispatch informing him of the amended white male description as he was approaching Arguello Boulevard. Armond Pelissetti was the officer who radioed this through from Washington & Cherry. This tells yo everything you need to know, in particular, that the 2007 documentary was a completely erroneous retelling.

Fouke does not drive towards Arguello, away from the crime scene, unless a certain WMA directs him there... is that the theory? Would this second broadcast be the point where Fouke realizes that they are dealing with a 187 and not just a robbery?

Druzer wrote:Fouke does not drive towards Arguello, away from the crime scene, unless a certain WMA directs him there... is that the theory? Would this second broadcast be the point where Fouke realizes that they are dealing with a 187 and not just a robbery?

Exactly, the only reason to be heading away from an assault and robbery, and away from a crime scene you are supposed to be heading towards, is if he was directed there by Zodiac. He responded to a "man waving a gun" and had to make a split decision. Head to the crime scene or deal with a very real threat of more casualties. Donald Fouke made the correct choice, despite the fact he was sold a lie by Zodiac.

Xcaliber asks;
"Your scenario is possible - not sure there would have been enough time
for the guy to get to the corner and turn north onto Maple, before
Fouke drove the one block to Cherry and made the left - unless he was
driving real slow, and you would assume the opposite."

I do not follow your reasoning.

Xcaliber asks;
"Where did Fouke say that he called him over from the steps?"
Xcaliber, I never said Fouke called anyone. For all we know, it could have been
the other policeman in that policecar, Zelms, who did the calling...
Maybe read Richard Grinell's webpage, for his viewpoint
of what happened;
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne ... ow-through

Also, on the north side of Jackson Street, the street numbers of
Jackson St, between Cherry and Spruce St, are 4 digit numbers.
If you can lip read what address Fouke says when it's beeped out in the
2007 documentary, "This Is The Zodiac Speaking" (at about 1:28:35),
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7qpDNU4RM
...maybe you can tell us what he said.
For me, Fouke appears to be saying a four digit address (in Jackson St)
and from the way his lips move, it seems one of the digits (probably the
third digit) is the numeral 1 - the only street addresses on the north side
of Jackson St, between Cherry and Spruce St, having four digits of which
one digit is the numeral 1, is 3712 or 3616 Jackson St. The accompanying
comments Fouke made about 'concrete steps' are inconsistent with either
address in the present day, but possibly not in 1969, or possibly easily
misrecognized at night in 1969.
If Fouke did not get Spruce mixed up with Maple, and if the guy they
saw went 'north on Maple' per Fouke's police memorandum, then it is more
likely to have been 3712 Jackson St.


CuriousCat said;
"Fouke denies ever having spoke to him."

Zelm's widow is reported as having said that her husband told her that
they did stop that guy and talk to him.

At about 1:24:38 & onwards of above video, Pelissetti states;
"In subsequent conversations with him (Fouke), he (Fouke) did tell me
that he (Fouke) did stop somebody"... "and that he (Fouke) asked him
'Did you see anybody go by?'"... etc.

Whose story is correct? At this late stage, it's not provable either way,
so it's a matter of personal judgement of the probabilities, as to
whether the guy was stopped and spoken to.

If Fouke were in front of me now, I wouldn't even bother asking about
that matter. More interesting to me, would be to ask Fouke what
'features' someone has, when Fouke classifies their "general appearance"
as being someone who "might be of Welsh ancestry". Also to ask, if he
thought the Lake Berryessa sketch is a good representation of the guy
he saw, and is it a closer representation of the guy he saw than the
Washington St childrens's sketches.

Number 2 Spruce street has a down stairs back door that leads to 3420 Pacific Ave. That is the address of "Julius Kahn playground". The back door of #2 Spruce has a address of 3421 Pacific Ave.
If Zodiac walked north on Maple to Pacific and turned right, it was less than one minute to that back door Apt.

From

http://murders.ru/zodiac%20unmasked.pdf

“Zodiac,” he said to a television producer, was “walking toward us at an average pace, turned when he saw us, and walked into a private residence [on Jackson Street].”


Toschi, who actually wasn't there, disagreed:

“Zodiac disappeared,” he said. “‘Into the brush, somewhere in the park,’ is what Fouke said, not into a residence, no whatsoever

QT

Quicktrader wrote:From

http://murders.ru/zodiac%20unmasked.pdf

“Zodiac,” he said to a television producer, was “walking toward us at an average pace, turned when he saw us, and walked into a private residence [on Jackson Street].”


Toschi, who actually wasn't there, disagreed:

“Zodiac disappeared,” he said. “‘Into the brush, somewhere in the park,’ is what Fouke said, not into a residence, no whatsoever

QT

I supposed it depends on who we want to believe? I tend to believe Toschi and Zelms wife. If it were true they saw Zodiac "enter the residence" on Jackson st , the owner would have been questioned and as far as I know he never was.

Seen heading towards the brush , sounds more like an assumption one would think could be a good place to hide.

Who would think that a robber, could afford to live in that neighborhood? Thinking he had to be hiding in that park was probably what they thought at that time.

I will always believe he had access to a home or a apt.in that area and he was able to watch everything that went on in that park that night. No way would he know about the dogs , the motorcycles, fire trucks , if he had left in a car!