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Or maybe he just lived on Jackson Street.

CuriousCat wrote:Yes, it seems he must have hid out in the area somewhere but it seems the dogs would have found him if he were stationary. And surely he had a lot of blood on his clothing which would have been noticed if he had went to someone he knew's home.

I am curious about the dogs. When Foulke realized the killer was possibly the guy he had seen/spoken with, did they get the dogs over where he had seen the suspect, to see if the dogs could pick up the scent and track down Z? For that matter, couldn't they have started the dogs at the crime scene and let them track from there?

Did the dogs pick up on anything at all that night?

Marshall wrote:

CuriousCat wrote:Yes, it seems he must have hid out in the area somewhere but it seems the dogs would have found him if he were stationary. And surely he had a lot of blood on his clothing which would have been noticed if he had went to someone he knew's home.

I am curious about the dogs. When Foulke realized the killer was possibly the guy he had seen/spoken with, did they get the dogs over where he had seen the suspect, to see if the dogs could pick up the scent and track down Z? For that matter, couldn't they have started the dogs at the crime scene and let them track from there?

Did the dogs pick up on anything at all that night?

If I'm remembering correctly the dogs tracked from the scene and I think they made it to the Presidio before losing the trail. I'm not real sure about that however.

EDIT: Just checked and only have Pelissetti's report to go by, but it only says dogs searched the Julius Kahn section of the Presidio, nothing about where they started.

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CuriousCat wrote:

Marshall wrote:

CuriousCat wrote:Yes, it seems he must have hid out in the area somewhere but it seems the dogs would have found him if he were stationary. And surely he had a lot of blood on his clothing which would have been noticed if he had went to someone he knew's home.

I am curious about the dogs. When Foulke realized the killer was possibly the guy he had seen/spoken with, did they get the dogs over where he had seen the suspect, to see if the dogs could pick up the scent and track down Z? For that matter, couldn't they have started the dogs at the crime scene and let them track from there?

Did the dogs pick up on anything at all that night?

If I'm remembering correctly the dogs tracked from the scene and I think they made it to the Presidio before losing the trail. I'm not real sure about that however.

EDIT: Just checked and only have Pelissetti's report to go by, but it only says dogs searched the Julius Kahn section of the Presidio, nothing about where they started.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler ... fullsize=1

Well that is very unfortunate because had they tracked starting at the crime scene, we might know, if nothing else, what route Z took (and whether he entered any buildings.) I would think Z's scent, Paul's bloody shirt in possession, would have been very easy for the dogs to follow, and Z's head start was not that big.

This newspaper reports says dogs "scoured the area around Cherry street, the wooded south boundary of the Presidio and Julius Kahn playground"


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Fouke's original report on this says he turned north on Maple from Jackson and nothing about entering a residence. He didn't make that claim until years later.

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Charlie Beene, the cop in charge of the search, was interviewed years ago...

Beene and his crew arrived 40 minutes after the shooting was reported and were immediately discouraged by what they found. Police officers and an Army platoon were crisscrossing the Presidio in squad cars and motorcycles; if the killer had left a scent trail for Beene and his fellow dog-handlers, it was not a leap to assume it had long since dissipated.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/ ... f6a54.html

If Z had wiped the cab with Stine's shirt, there actually should be Z DNA on it, too.

QT

This is interesting, thanks for posting it.

Were the typical German Shepherds that rode around in the back of police cars 'tracking dogs'?

I'm inclined to take Zodiac at his word. If he's saying the squad cars should have simply parked and waited for him to come out of cover -- and he could see the dogs and motorcycles as well -- that would imply he was hiding in the Presidio woods.

Conceivably some motorcycles could have entered at Spruce, which meant they might have been driving down Jackson to get there, but I'm not sure they could have fit through the Spruce pedestrian gate.

One more point: we keep hearing how Fouke might seen the Zodiac going up those stairs on Jackson, or pretending to. But then we hear Fouke saying they last saw the Zodiac cutting north on Maple toward the Presidio. How could both have happened?

Xcaliber wrote:
Were the typical German Shepherds that rode around in the back of police cars 'tracking dogs'?

They have some tracking capability but they are not great tracking dogs. There is a reason they use Bloodhounds to track, they are far superior and cars or motorcycles driving around would not have effected a team of Bloodhounds. They regularly close major highways to let Bloodhound teams track across them. These dogs they used would have needed optimal conditions to have a chance, so they probably were effected by the vehicles.

CuriousCat said;
"Fouke said he turned to go up the steps there but Fouke did not see him enter
the residence, so it was possibly an attempt at a fake out by the guy if it was Zodiac."

100% agree.

Xcaliber said;
"we keep hearing how Fouke might seen the Zodiac going up those stairs on
Jackson, or pretending to. But then we hear Fouke saying they last saw the
Zodiac cutting north on Maple toward the Presidio. How could both have happened?"

The events did not occur simultaneously, but were separated in time.
The way I see the scenario proceeding, it is as Curious Cat suggests, the guy saw
the police car and attempted to obscure their view of him and avoid them by
walking up the steps of a house (possibly 3712 Jackson Street).

Then I understand one of the police officers called him over to the police car
and they had their short conversation, then as they drove off (remember,
they're scanning around, on the lookout for a negro man) one or both of them
looking back, saw Zodiac continue east to Maple and turn into or simply disappear
at Maple St.