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Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 3:10 am
by traveller1st
UKSpycatcher wrote:The taxicab was a 1968 Ford Custom Galaxie 500.
4-door, rear wheel drive,


Thanks UK.

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 3:30 am
by UKSpycatcher

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 4:47 am
by traveller1st
Well one thing's for certain. Looking at the images we're used to is akin to a cross between a Rorschach test and a magic eye picture. One horrible thought that's a possibility of what we are seeing and IMSMC it's been suggested before but what appears to be an object with an edge could, and I stress could, be a reflection in or off the blood. What we might be seeing is probably a cross over of several things. One being the shaping and bunching of the carpeting that covers the central console. Add to that the fact that its soaked in blood and that there might be a considerable blood pool at the base of that area reflecting back the section of blood soaked carpeting just above it.

Those are my preliminary thoughts on it and I know nothing about the specifics of the interiors of these cars or materials used. As far as visual interpretation is concerned I'm not seeing anything particularly anomalous that, given the circumstances under which the cab was photographed, would suggest we are looking at an object separate from the cab itself.

Here's a quick illustration. Things to note. The angle of that 'highlight' seems pretty consistent with the angles of other highlights in the cab and/or possible reflection points. I'm not suggesting were seeing a reflection of the belt clasp or even the seat but if it is either a reflection or even a highlight of an edge it's quite consistent with the angles of other edges of things in the cab.

The other thing is the contested area itself. I have placed a grey dot over the highlight to show that the areas beside it, visually at least, are not inconsistent with just blood trailing on the interior carpeting. I could 'interpret' more but I think this is enough for now.

cab-interior.jpg

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 8:05 am
by Talon
The object surely looks like a pair of glasses but not the particular ones seen in the photos of Stine. These appear to be sunglasses which would make perfect sense taking into consideration that he was a full time driver. He probably kept them on the dash or in the visor or possibly in the glove compartment and they ended up on the floor. When you consider all that was going on in that cab during and after the murder...

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:57 pm
by Norse
traveller1st wrote:
Me either. It doesn't really make sense even if you speculate they were doing it to assist in some way the 'perps' capture. IF the were there then they would have been treated as part of the scene objects or not (the watch for instance). It's just too convoluted to imagine that they came up with the idea to 'say' they were missing and ensure they weren't documented when for all intents and purposes this was just a cabbie robbery gone bad.


I agree, of course, that they wouldn't have come up with such a scheme there and then - nor would they have purposely failed to document it (they didn't count on us sitting here and scrutinizing every scrap of paper half a century into the future).

But there are other items which are not accounted for per the only paperwork we know about, including the watch. Possibly the fare book too (could be among the "various papers", granted). We know for a fact that Stine was wearing a watch - and yet it's not listed.

They could have been a bit sloppy, pure and simple - perhaps precisely because it was just a cabbie robbery gone bad.

I'm not saying I firmly believe they have the glasses or that they decided to use them for ruling out imposters after they realized it was Z - but it's at least a possible explanation.

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:17 pm
by jroberson
Or it could be nothing. Trick of the eye. Odd lighting. Compression artifacts.

Image

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:59 am
by Norse
Oh yes – absolutely. That picture proves nothing either way, it could be anything – distortion, resolution issue, trick of the light, etc.

But even if we could conclude safely that his glasses are not in the picture, that doesn't mean they're not in the cab – or near the cab, or...wherever. Stine lost them at some point, either because Z took them, or because they fell off in the commotion, or even because the medic/ambulance steward took them off him for some reason.

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:43 am
by mike_r
Hi-

Toschi told me in late 2002 that the glasses were found mangled under Stine's body. However, I don't think he was necessarily telling me the truth. In fact, I don't believe he was telling me the truth.

Mike

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:53 am
by morf13
mike_r wrote:Hi-

Toschi told me in late 2002 that the glasses were found mangled under Stine's body. However, I don't think he was necessarily telling me the truth. In fact, I don't believe he was telling me the truth.

Mike


Curious, what made you think he was lying? That scenario could make sense. If the glasses fell off when he was shot, and Z dragged his body across the seat, I could see them getting mangled

Re: Stine's glasses

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:56 am
by Tahoe27
Must have been some cheap glasses. :)