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Honestly, it still doesn't make sense to me. Paramedics wouldn't need to pull him out with his head and arms dangling even more-so to check to see if he was alive. And at that point, what good does it do to photograph the scene--after it's been altered. If they are going to check for vitals, they don't need to pull him out like that and if they are going to pull him out, pull him out!

Tahoe

I whole heartedly agree with you in the handling of Stine's body.

Some things do not seem logical or handled professionally.

But I guess verifying someone's vitals takes precedent over evidence...I

do state this sarcastically.

Tahoe27 wrote:Honestly, it still doesn't make sense to me. Paramedics wouldn't need to pull him out with his head and arms dangling even more-so to check to see if he was alive. And at that point, what good does it do to photograph the scene--after it's been altered. If they are going to check for vitals, they don't need to pull him out like that and if they are going to pull him out, pull him out!

No they shouldn't but lets assume then this is how he was found. It took at least 2 minutes for police to arrive and even longer for this photograph 1 to be taken. Therefore we would have to assume that after Zodiac left the scene, Paul Stine did not bleed onto the roadside for this period of time ie: no blood by his left hand and beneath his head. Then by the time photograph 2 was taken he had resumed bleeding. This is not possible. If also he was found with the door shut, why no photographs of this. The three teenagers also saw Zodiac mid to passenger side with Stine over his lap, but Paul Stine in the photographs below is hanging out the door, he has moved horizontally across the seat, are we to assume Zodiac dragged him over himself making it extremely difficult to shut the door.
But if you assume Stine was found like this and 2/3 minutes had elapsed probably, before the image 1 was captured, considering he was still bleeding heavily, testified by image 2 and the blood on the roadside, where is the blood in the period of 2+ minutes before Image 1 is taken. He could not have been found in this position and had to be moved other than Zodiac.

i think the blood is from the door. you can see a thin blood trail on the bottom of the car in picture one. i think there was a pool of blood against the door and when they opened it the blood on door dripped down onto the street. just my 2 cents.

ps - i guess i'm saying the blood IS in picture one, it's just mostly out of the frame. picture 2 makes it look like the blood is coming directly from stine but it's not, it's dripping from the bottom of the door.

Doesn't seem like much blood on the door

Do you know what I see? Does anyone care?



I see a MASSIVE pool of thick blood about right where you'd expect a right-of-the-head GSW to jet if the victim were to fall over into the passenger seat.

That trail of blood from the driver seat well? Looks like a seat-belt to me, although the black and white jpg photos do not overly aid in discernment.



I'd say he was shot to his right, fell to the right, bled heavily into the right front passenger seat well, was moved at some point by the killer, and then fell into the street/door jamb during the investigation.




Not sure what you folks are seeing, but...that's clearly what the evidence shows.

jroberson wrote:That trail of blood from the driver seat well? Looks like a seat-belt to me, although the black and white jpg photos do not overly aid in discernment.

This pic is a little clearer. It's a seat belt. Not sure what the red arrows were supposed to depict.

I'd also like to dispel another myth; specifically that Paul was wearing his glasses in one of the pics. Here's one that's traditionally been cropped off, likely because of the "gore factor." In the cropped off version, people have mistakenly claimed that they could see what looked like glasses on Stine's left eye - it's actually blood spatter. If the mods feel this is too graphic for public consumption, feel free to delete.

jroberson wrote:I'd say he was shot to his right, fell to the right, bled heavily into the right front passenger seat well, was moved at some point by the killer, and then fell into the street/door jamb during the investigation.
Not sure what you folks are seeing, but...that's clearly what the evidence shows.

Yes he was shot to his right, but did not fall into the passenger well, the pattern on the shirt indicates he was upright for a measurable time, otherwise if he had fell immediately, there shouldn't be this much blood on the left of the shirt, pretty much the same as the right to 2/3 down. However after the Zodiac had tore the shirt, mid to passenger side, I believe he then pushed Paul Stine into the passenger well and exited the vehicle. Those marks on the driver side arm rest cannot get there if he immediately fell over to the right, they are drip marks of blood indicating that he remained upright for a period of time and the blood running down his left side, while being pressed into the arm rest is why the pattern of blood abruptly stops on the left side of the shirt 2/3 down and the cause of the blood on the arm rest. This blood cannot just appear here.

U2S---those red arrows show the bloody slide marks...how Stine sort of drifted across the seat to his final position in the seat.

I have no doubt Stine was upright for a moment...probably slumped over the steering wheel, and apparently (thanks to UKS pointing it out) at one point on the driver's side door. This is how Zodiac got the backside of Stine's shirt. When Zodiac was done with him, he scooted out the passenger side and Stine's body slid across the back-rest onto the seat.

I wonder when they decided to throw the map/book onto the ground into the blood for good measure?