Stine's postition.

[Tahoe27]

yes i am sure he was pronounced DOA...the police would have then told everybody to leave so they would not contaminate the scene further..thats why he was left as he was....he was not moved into that position for a photo by the crime scene photographer or any of the detectives..

I would think he was dead on scene.

I don't think they'd be checking his vitals and trying to get him to the hospital (before pronouncing him dead), but halt so a photographer could take photos. Not to mention just walking away with his head and arms dangling like that. Something is off, imo.

[snooter]

they would never have stopped tending to stine if he was alive so a photo could be taken..im sure there are many more photos i have never seen and may be others have never seen in regards to the crime scene..i do not know who called time of death or who had the authority to do it so yes may be he was being pulled from the car by the coroner and the crime scene detective wanted some more photos so they stopped (the photo is more thank likely date and time stamped so it could be hours later when crime scene was fully
processsed)..hard to say but i do not see any thing that seems off or weird about the photo..its just not there in my mind..god speed

[Craigfitzer]

Yes I am sure he was DOA and if they had a chance of saving his life they would not have left him in the vehicle. However, i do find the before and after photos of the blood puddle a little confusing.

[snooter]

in a nut shell thats where he drained out..i have seen it before when you arrive little blood (but DOA) and after an hour blood is pooled everywhere...body would not have been removed until the detective or investigator gave approval and we do not know time the photos were taken,,as above post i can bet its written on back of the photo or documented in report and you and I will never get all the info from sfpd cause this is "pending investigation"..

[Tahoe27]

It would just seem more likely to me, this was before paramedics showed up. I cannot imagine them leaving him in that position. I know it is mentioned otherwise.

[Craigfitzer]

It also doesn't seem right that the paramedics would leave Paul hanging out of the car while he was still bleeding out.

[traveller1st]

Paul was pronounced dead at the scene at 22.10. FYI & FWIW. Approx time of shooting 21.55.

[smithy]

He wasn't reported to be limping when he was observed leaving the cab and walking all the way down Cherry St by the witness nor as he briskly approached Bryan and Cecelia.

Sorry to hark back a bit, but I've never been sure about this limp. I think it might have been part of his famous disguise, perhaps, since he could easily figure out how long it would take him to get to where he was going on leaving the scene (yes, back to his dog if you like - wherever) and decide if having a nice easily recognisable character trait like a limp would be worth the trade-off in the amount of time it added to the trip.
See?

[Quicktrader]

Ok lets put aside the 'how did Paul end up in that position' argument/debate for a second, what I want to know is, whether done intentionally by Z, or gravity taking over Pauls 'Dead Weight and he slumped into the door, what difference would it, or does it make? I really don't mean that disrespectfully to the person who started the thread what-so-ever. My question is a genuine one, would there be any significance if it were able to be shown Zodiac left Paul like that vs Cab door supporting Paul's weight, Cab door opened, Paul goes with its momentum?

Anyone leaning against a car door would open it, if the lever is pulled to unlock imo..if that answers your question. Paul I guess had at least 140-160 lbs., imo half of it would be enough to do so.

QT

Well just had a quick nose at where your from QT as I had a question in mind to ask you. I see your Austrian. So, here is the question: What the heck are you driving in Austria? (Lol). Can't be very good designers whoever is designing these car's. Lean a bit of weight onto the door and it will instantly give way and fully open under the strain of limp bodyweight against it. Must have news reports daily I imagine.... "Todays main news headline: Someone fell out of a car again. That's all from me..."

Just joking about QT but the underlying issue is serious, do car doors seriously just open if you put a bit of eight on them over there? Can't think why else you mite say that?

'if the lever is pulled to unlock..'

Besides a Maserati, I mostly drive my Italian Vespa every day and have sold all the other cars due to recent crisis in Banking, Finance and Antiques industry

The Vespa has no doors.

Regarding Stine: I wonder, if he was shot and sunk onto his steering wheel, how his fare booklet later fell on the floor. Why didn't they pull Stine out of the cab on the drivers side? No idea what police had done there, but it is really weird what had happened on that crime scene that night..

QT
QT

[snooter]

Regarding Stine: I wonder, if he was shot and sunk onto his steering wheel, how his fare booklet later fell on the floor. Why didn't they pull Stine out of the cab on the drivers side? No idea what police had done there, but it is really weird what had happened on that crime scene that night..

QT
QT[/quote]

the gillion dollar question and i have no answer..i f shot in back of head you would be correct and he would have fallen to the steering wheel...if shot in the side with Z in passenger seat they would know that as well..there has to be photos from inside the cab with blood splatter (i know its morbid but it is a crime scene tool) could tell you a lot and so could entry/exit wound..so much has become polluted in regards to all these crimes scenes over the years its becoming difficult to sort out what is fact from theory.(and how much the police are sitting on and will not release-it could be substantial volumes of evidence).far as why not pulling stine out drivers side i have no answer..may be the thought was to limit public exposure to the tragedy and out of respect for paul they decided passenger side be best