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Assuming the Gloves found on the front passenger side floor of the cab were left there by Z, then why? Is he leaving a red herring by wanting people to believe he was in the front when he was not until he climbed in after shooting Paul? Or was he in the front and just wanted everyone to know it and deliberately left the gloves there? Or, of course, the gloves could have been left by a fare from earlier that day and have nothing to do with the Zodiac.

Hard to know. They were soaked in blood though weren't they? Still could have been left by another fare and Z just used them for something?

That was a good question Dag and I'm not sure I've seen it asked before. I got a confused impression as well WC reading the chat log regarding Carol's seemingly definite no regarding were Z was riding in the cab. Given where Paul was shot though it does seem more convenient that the shooter was in the back seat.

WC, were the gloves where you said they were? I'm asking because I can't remember and for whatever reason I thought they were in the back seat.

As for Z knowing Paul. Is it possible that he knew him but as a fare and not necessarily in everyday life. I mean, could Paul have had recourse to pick up Z up on a few occassions or is that unlikely?

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Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today's sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

Chappie - your mentioning of fouke saying the zodiac had a "semi-limp" is it possible that Kane had a limp? Possibly from his brain injury. Kinda like a stroke can cause you to limp.

Craigfitzer wrote:Chappie - your mentioning of fouke saying the zodiac had a "semi-limp" is it possible that Kane had a limp? Possibly from his brain injury. Kinda like a stroke can cause you to limp.

All POI's have this limp.

He wasn't reported to be limping when he was observed leaving the cab and walking all the way down Cherry St by the witness nor as he briskly approached Bryan and Cecelia.

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mike_r wrote:Hi-

Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today's sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

No, they tried to save his life..the crime scene photo is after the attempt to save his life..the police ushered every body out of that crime scene when he was pronounced deceased to preserve the evidence..it is still done like this today..i would argue the level of care and respect has gone down hill since 69..we can never put that crime scene back as it was left by Z unless police diagramed or photographed the scene just prior to medical personell and we just dont have those photos to my knowledge or if they even exist...i see nothing wrong with how stine was photgraphed and i would argue strongly that respect and due diligence was shown by those involved in trying to save his life..just my take-god speed

snooter wrote:

mike_r wrote:Hi-

Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today's sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

No, they tried to save his life..the crime scene photo is after the attempt to save his life..the police ushered every body out of that crime scene when he was pronounced deceased to preserve the evidence..it is still done like this today..i would argue the level of care and respect has gone down hill since 69..we can never put that crime scene back as it was left by Z unless police diagramed or photographed the scene just prior to medical personell and we just dont have those photos to my knowledge or if they even exist...i see nothing wrong with how stine was photgraphed and i would argue strongly that respect and due diligence was shown by those involved in trying to save his life..just my take-god speed

It would seem he was dead when they got there. ??

And IF he was alive with a chance to keep him that way, wouldn't they have removed him from the vehicle? Not the best access to try and help a victim.

yes i am sure he was pronounced DOA...the police would have then told everybody to leave so they would not contaminate the scene further..thats why he was left as he was....he was not moved into that position for a photo by the crime scene photographer or any of the detectives..