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Could be true..then the question why did Stine had his jacked pulled up so far?

QT

Seagull wrote:

pittsburgh_phil wrote:When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine's body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine's body. Am I incorrect in this instance?

I thought that the doors of the cab were all closed when LE arrived on scene and it was when the cab door was opened for pictures to be taken that Stine's body ended up in the position it was in the photos. If that is the case then I would say that the body's position and the skeleton on the HC are coincidental. As far as I know the crime scene photos were not made public until many years after the murder.

If I am incorrect about the cab doors being closed when LE arrived, please, someone let me know.

Honestly, this is something I have always wondered.

It would seem there would be photographs of Stine and the cab prior to them opening the doors. Maybe there are and we have just not been privy to them. ?

But, in order for Stine to lay like that, wouldn't his head/arm/body have need to have been propped up against the door somewhat in order to fall back like that? Wouldn't that mean Zodiac would have had to lift him up against it?

It seems a bit bizarre for anyone to drag him out like that and then take photographs, that's for sure. I mean, you would take photos of the scene as it appeared upon arrival...then after the body was removed too of course.

QT - I think the jacket was simply bunched up like that by Zodiac to get to the shirt.

I think if Zodiac was sitting on the passenger side in the front seat when he was taking the portion of Stine's shirt he could have propped Stine up to get out of the car and Stine fell over onto the passenger side of the car after the door was shut. Though it would make more sense if Zodiac pushed Stine back over to the drivers door and leaned him against it. That isn't the way Stine was found though.

Seagull wrote:I think if Zodiac was sitting on the passenger side in the front seat when he was taking the portion of Stine's shirt he could have propped Stine up to get out of the car and Stine fell over onto the passenger side of the car after the door was shut. Though it would make more sense if Zodiac pushed Stine back over to the drivers door and leaned him against it. That isn't the way Stine was found though.

Yes...that would make sense if Zodiac kept him upright as he got out. It would also make sense for Zodiac to shut the door--draw less attention for as long as possible. Would have been nice to see photos prior to them opening the door. Those photos must exist if that is the case.

Tahoe27 wrote:

Seagull wrote:

pittsburgh_phil wrote:When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine's body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine's body. Am I incorrect in this instance?

I thought that the doors of the cab were all closed when LE arrived on scene and it was when the cab door was opened for pictures to be taken that Stine's body ended up in the position it was in the photos. If that is the case then I would say that the body's position and the skeleton on the HC are coincidental. As far as I know the crime scene photos were not made public until many years after the murder.

If I am incorrect about the cab doors being closed when LE arrived, please, someone let me know.

Honestly, this is something I have always wondered.

It would seem there would be photographs of Stine and the cab prior to them opening the doors. Maybe there are and we have just not been privy to them. ?

But, in order for Stine to lay like that, wouldn't his head/arm/body have need to have been propped up against the door somewhat in order to fall back like that? Wouldn't that mean Zodiac would have had to lift him up against it?

It seems a bit bizarre for anyone to drag him out like that and then take photographs, that's for sure. I mean, you would take photos of the scene as it appeared upon arrival...then after the body was removed too of course.

QT - I think the jacket was simply bunched up like that by Zodiac to get to the shirt.

Now that I see the other angles of the picture it sure does look like Paul was propped against the door.

Hi-

The ambulance got there before the photographers, so there are probably no photos of Stine in the position in which he was originally found.

Mike

mike_r wrote:Hi-

The ambulance got there before the photographers, so there are probably no photos of Stine in the position in which he was originally found.

Mike

So the paramedics left Paul like THAT??

I think the police left him like that. They probably checked his vitals while the ambo was on the way. He could have slumped over and fell out when the police opened the door. Pretty nasty business.

In order for Paul to slump and fall with the door being opened he'd have to have been leant against the door by Zodiac. Paul was said by the witnesses to be led across the seats while Zodiac was ripping his shirt. I mean Z would have had to have pulled Paul's body across the seats somewhat and place him against the door as He then he slowly shuts it.

My best guess as to how Paul ended up like that in that position was not because Zodiac positioned him to, but Paul was probably laying across the seats just like the witnesses say he was when Z was ripping his shirt and had Pauls head resting on Z's lap as he leaned over and tore away his trophy, then moved his thighs/upper legs from under Paul's head and placed it down on the seat and then when the paramedics opened the door and found Paul the paramedics probably pulled Paul toward them to check where the blood was coming from on his head and what had caused his bleeding and in an attempt to diagnose the point of trauma on the head found a small entry wound. The paramedics first and most important job is to try and preserve life if and when possible. I would imagine they couldn't perform CPR Chest Compressions and mouth to mouth in that confined space. Or maybe the paramedics started to pull Paul out and the detectives, who had been on scene before they arrived and declared Paul Deceased already, told the paramedics to stop, he is dead and your just messing up a crime scene by disturbing the body and potential evidence.

Could be anything. But when you think of if, if he wanted to arrange the corpse to inflict maximum shock and horror to the person/persons who find his latest handiwork then why didn't he do that at Lake Herman with David & Betty? Much darker there, far more secluded, later in the night on Lake Herman and no lights to illuminate him for the prying eyes of any witnesses. Yet he just leaves Betty & David where they fall so I cant see him going out of his way to 'position Paul to slump half out of the cab when the door was opened.

Paramedics would never have left a victim looking like that. Dangling out of the car.

Zodiac pulled him over by the jacket cut his shirt and walked away casually.