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Park, Park and more Park!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:11 pm
by Welsh Chappie
On the issue of where Zodiac was when the search was being carried out of Julius Kahn and the general area of the Presidio, I have always agreed with Chief Lee's opinion that Zodiac is a liar, he was not in the park. Like Lee, I also think it's so unlikely, bordering on impossible, for Zodiac to have avoided detection if he were hid behind some tree or bush considering their were several police dogs, every available Officer from the SFPD searching, and several search lights illuminating the entire area like some Hollywood film set. But wherever he was, he was close enough to give accurate details of the scene and search itself.
One thing stands out about Zodiac's letters regarding that night. He seems to want to push across this idea of him being in the park to the point where it becomes noticeable and not natural, like he's trying too hard to convince you he's in the park. Gets me wondering 'why is he so eager to keep directing us to the park? Classic Misdirection? Here is Zodiac's own statements:

"The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly"

"Hey blue pig I was in the park -- you were using fire-trucks to mask the sound of your cruzeing prowl cars."

"p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof about 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up"

"I disappeared into the park a block + a half away"


He also makes other indirect references to the park, or being in the park also such as "The car drivers should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover."

So why is he so intent on keeping our attention on the park as the place he was? Classic misdirection again, maybe? Just like the magician who draws his audiences attention over here to his left hand, while the real trick is quickly palmed away in his right, is Zodiac trying too hard to divert our attention to the park and away from somewhere else close by, like a house?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:01 pm
by pittsburgh_phil
He was trying to make the police look incompetent. That's what I always thought anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:05 pm
by Paul_Averly
It seems like he did not hide in the park and was trying to direct attention to that failed search.

He does seem to know about a few of the elements of the police search. Wonder if he was still hiding in the area, his car or the yard of the house on Jackson, while the search was taking place...

Re: Park, Park and more Park!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:49 pm
by Welsh Chappie
Paul_Averly wrote:It seems like he did not hide in the park and was trying to direct attention to that failed search.

He does seem to know about a few of the elements of the police search. Wonder if he was still hiding in the area, his car or the yard of the house on Jackson, while the search was taking place...


I've thought and stated before I think he may have been in the back yard of 3712, the house he approached. Perfect place to be to hear the motorcycles go by and nab a quick peek at the two groups of parking seen as there is only a fence separating the yard from West Pacific Avenue. But that doesn't make sense for me and the reason why has to do with your first idea....

"It seems like he did not hide in the park and was trying to direct attention to that failed search."

Well if making them look absolutely incompetent was the goal then he'd surely admit to being in that back yard by saying something like: "The Cops saw me walk up the steps and onto the drive pathway and go toward the house, the garden of which I was then hiding in! I had no choice as the police were approaching in their prowl car, and so I went up the steps, onto the drive and through the gate into the back yard. I was just about to make my escape over the yard fence when the prowl cars came dashing onto West Pacific and toward Julius Kahn and I was surrounded & cornered with nowhere else to go so I stayed listening to the search bikes and peering through a gap in the fence as they frantically searched all over the grounds of the park and Presidio when the cop had just seen me heading for this house with a yard & they didn't even search the house or the yard, I expected to be rumbled any moment."

That would make them look far more incompetent if he said the police had actually seen him dash onto a house front path after spotting police, and yet never bothered to search the house grounds in response. There is one answer why he didn't and this answer fits both why he wanted to make it appear he was in the park, and why he couldn't say he was in the house or its yard to maximise the level of incompetence he could tag the SFPD with and that is, he actually lived there, or if he didn't, knew someone who did. That's why:

He isn't able to state he was actually in the house yard or house itself, because he himself is linked to the address and it isn't just a random house or yard he dashed into, but is in fact his own or a friends.

Keeps on insisting he was in the park, because for them to think any different may bring them sniffing around his or his friends house.

He never mention's anywhere that he walked onto any driveway at all that night, which again you may expect him to if the address was random and unknown to him because he could again point to SFPD incompetence by showing "All I had to do was walk up a few steps when I saw the cop car approach, and they drove straight past." No mention of that which would have been another huge blow for them to take, and a big point scored for him which he loved to do.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:56 am
by Nachtsider
He was in his car, driving past or even through the area as the search was going on.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:59 am
by traveller1st
"you're doing that thing WC. The thing we discussed, The thing I don't like." To quote Paul Avery in Fincher's Zodiac. It's not looming however, it's randomly creating thread's to express your own thinking. Please, somehow, find a way to not do that. Otherwise I will just ban you, permanently. Capesh?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:38 am
by smithy
Welsh Chappie wrote:But wherever he was, he was close enough to give accurate details of the scene and search itself.

Wellll, the details in the letter were provided on November 9th - more than three weeks after the fact.
Doesn't that mean he might also have been a good researcher? That he didn't need to have hung around in that area at all?
(If he was ever there of course, but then that's another whole kettle of fish, I know).
And about those facts, too.
"The dogs never came with in 2 blocks of me + they were to the west" - is that true? The west?
"the motor cicles went by about 150 ft away going from south to north west" - also true? There were motorcycles there?
A bit dubious, this stuff. No wonder the Chief was so emphatic.

BTW - did an Irish guy just ask a Welsh guy if he understood something, in pigeon Italian? :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 am
by traveller1st
Technically I'm British but yes, I did, you oink. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:50 am
by smithy
British huh? :lol: ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:59 am
by traveller1st
smithy wrote:British huh? :lol: ;)


The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's on our passports, surely you have heard of it? At the very least it might be something we cling to in the end. Still, it can all very well be irrelevant. It's us ourselves that matter. And...we find our way just fine. :D