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This is actually not a new observation. I made this one several years ago and probably posted about it somewhere. Z doth protesteth too much that he was "in the park." He wants you to believe he was in the park. He wants it published in the paper for all to see and understand. He was in the park!

I don't think he was in the park. But if he had a home nearby that overlooked the park...well, you know.

I think it would have been risky for him to drive around and around the neighborhood in a car with Stine's wallet and car keys stashed in it. What if they found his actions suspicious and took the car downtown to take it apart looking for evidence. And I think it is out of the question that he drove away in a car prior to the search due to another observation that my brother the NYC police officer made ten years ago: Ze described the SOUNDS of the search. You can't hear those in Marin.

Mike

No question Z's repeated insistence to print that aspect of his getaway raises eyebrows and no question he'll lie when it suits him.

http://zodiackiller.com/BombLetter3.html

In this case, it's hard to say whether lying or telling the truth would suit him more since he is intent on pointing out inaccuracies or mistakes made by police. In the same request, he wants it known that he was observed (and allegedly questioned) by two cops walking away from the scene, which was later found out to be true. His hiding out in the park could certainly be a lie but I could certainly see him demanding the publication if the truth served his agenda to make police look foolish and incompetent as well.

Zodiac's lies are one of my favorite topics:

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com ... lying-liar

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ ... hilit=liar

mike_r wrote:I think it would have been risky for him to drive around and around the neighborhood in a car with Stine's wallet and car keys stashed in it. What if they found his actions suspicious and took the car downtown to take it apart looking for evidence.

Nobody would have thought of stopping a guy in a car. They were looking for a suspect who escaped on foot.

Nachtsider wrote:

mike_r wrote:I think it would have been risky for him to drive around and around the neighborhood in a car with Stine's wallet and car keys stashed in it. What if they found his actions suspicious and took the car downtown to take it apart looking for evidence.

Nobody would have thought of stopping a guy in a car. They were looking for a suspect who escaped on foot.

Well they didn't seem to do a very good job then because two units saw two different men, at least they seem to claim it was two different white males, in the area that we know of, both on foot, and none were detained.
I mean one of the men on foot even seemed to dash onto a driveway upon noticing the police car approach which to most people would be highly suspicious, yet they still did not get out and draw their weapons. The suspect pictured below could have been standing on the corner of Maple & Jackson Street and still they'd have probably slowed to look at him before speeding off up the hill.

traveller1st wrote:

smithy wrote:British huh?

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's on our passports, surely you have heard of it? At the very least it might be something we cling to in the end. Still, it can all very well be irrelevant. It's us ourselves that matter. And...we find our way just fine.

Trav,

Huh? If I understand it right, the UK is the parent while GB and NI are siblings.

Logically that seems to me to make you UK-ish, rather than Bri'-ish, not so?

Otherwise, if you become a Brit, then by the same logic Smithy must be Irish...yet he frequently appears completely sober.

G

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Well, my opinion is that if you see the same guy driving around and around the neighborhood in a place where his car might stick out like a sore thumb because not many cars apparently drive around there at night you may just light him up and see what he is up to. If I had gotten away scot-free from the Stine scene and had incriminating evidence in my car, I don't think I wold have risked ruining a good night by making myself conspicuous.

Just IMHO.

Zodiac said that motorcycles went by his location traveling "about 150 feet away" going from "south to northwest." At the end of Maple and Cherry there is no way for a car or motorcycle to enter the park. There is an entrance at the end of Spruce in the neighborhood (aside from the Arguello entrance, etc.). There is a certain property on the north side of Jackson west of Spruce Street that contains a point exactly 150 feet from the NW corner of Jackson and Spruce. So Z's statement could be the equivalent of saying that he was standing in his front yard (which he may have been in ONE version of Pelissetti's narrative) and saw/heard motorcycles going up Spruce Street (which, like all the streets in PH, runs slightly from south to northwest) and into the park. A possible clew?

Mike

Well the 'Zodiac had a vehicle parked close by' theory has long been one that many support. There is no way to know for sure but for me the idea has too many flaws. I don't know the SFPD procedure for responding to homicide back then but I would imagine that one of the first things they would have done is set up a perimeter around the area as they did with Julius Kahn and the Presidio. I would imagine that they had roadblocks stopping anyone leaving the area without checking their identities as that is, as far as I know, standard procedure.
If you are in a vehicle, essentially a small metallic box with beaming lights fixed onto the front that are begging you to be noticed, then your a sitting duck if you drive straight into a police road block. Whereas to spot police road block while on foot, you can simply turn off the street and into a front yard for example, as a White Male appeared to do when he saw Officers Don Fouke & Eric Zelms approaching in their 'Prowl Car'.

The Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, was undone because he had done exactly what many think Zodiac did, he had parked his car in the locality of where he would shoot his final victims. Upon returning to his vehicle, he discovered on the windshield a ticket placed their by police. When the Son of Sam struck in that neighbourhood a witness came forward to say that shortly after the time the shootings occurred, she had seen a man rushing to his vehicle who took a ticket off the windshield, got into the car and sped away. A quick search of the database for tickets given on that street for that particular night told police that only one car had received a ticket on that street on the relevant night, and the vehicle ticketed was registered to David Berkowitz.

As we have discussed many, many times, Fouke back in 1969 stated the man he saw walked into the park: "north on Maple into the Presido"

More for us to pick and choose what we want to believe. Fouke wrote this and later we hear Fouke's account. Who is the one offering two different stories?

No doubt Zodiac threw out truths and lies, but it sure seems like disappearing into the park would be the smart thing to do, especially if cops just saw him walking down the street.

Tahoe27 wrote:As we have discussed many, many times, Fouke back in 1969 stated the man he saw walked into the park: "north on Maple into the Presido"

More for us to pick and choose what we want to believe. Fouke wrote this and later we hear Fouke's account. Who is the one offering two different stories?

No doubt Zodiac threw out truths and lies, but it sure seems like disappearing into the park would be the smart thing to do, especially if cops just saw him walking down the street.

Yes that's fair enough to assume Tahoe, but as I have also said many, many times, I totally agree with what Chief Martin Lee stated in reply to Zodiac's boast "The SFPD could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly" when Lee states "He (Zodiac) is a liar. He was not in the park, we had seven police dogs, fire trucks with search lights that lit up the whole area, and police officers searching tree by tree and bush by bush." He finishes by stating "A mouse couldn't have escaped our attention."

That is something I fully agree with him about. And because we know Zodiac was still close enough to either see, or at the very least hear, the search effort to the point where he could accurately describe the police bikes and police car parking arrangement, he has to have been somewhere else close by. Either that or he has a friend/accomplice in that area, or he has access to police reports of the incident and search.

SFPD believe Zodiac will return to the scene one day and try and pull another cab driver homicide. This is why thay have placed their covertly parked undercover van, sporting it's one way tinted windows that conceal a 7 man S.W.A.T Team sitting inside/ They have been waiting there now for the past 44 years.