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Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:14 pm**

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Not that I'm correct but when I spoke of progression, it was in the context of the simplest explanation of how and why he moved from one murder to the next.

I agree he needed a easy sure thing.(Stine)

As to your last point, there is an argument that he was actually seen at LB/ or thought he might have been. The victims reporting they could see hair inside/as low as the eye slits, whereas PH, with a crew cut. Did he change hair style because he might have been seen acting suspiciously when looking for victims at LB?

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 7:50 pm**

Wier wrote:As to your last point, there is an argument that he was actually seen at LB/ or thought he might have been. The victims reporting they could see hair inside/as low as the eye slits, whereas PH, with a crew cut. Did he change hair style because he might have been seen acting suspiciously when looking for victims at LB?

The thing with LB (for me) is that this person who attacked Bryan and Cecelia WAS there that day WITHOUT a hood on. We know he wasn't driving (or walking) around in costume.

So...

If anything, I would say LB was most likely not the actual hair of the Zodiac killer.

BRS--curly, light-brown almost blond
LB--dark brown/black, parted and combed
SF--light colored hair, possibly graying in rear, crew-cut

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 4:43 am**

Amen.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 4:59 am**

One possibility is that someone was filming the LB attack. This would explain why it took place before dark, why Z spent unnecessary time talking to Ceci and Bryan, and the costume. But most especially the cross-hair symbol on the costume.

"Team Zodiac" is not a popular theory, but that symbol on the costume is the single most baffling thing about the Zodiac crimes, in my opinion, and that's one explanation (filming) that at least kind of makes sense to me. Although, still, it doesn't seem very likely.

I wish we knew the details of where Bryan, Ceci, and Z were standing, in relation to each other and in relation to wherever a cameraman could have been standing.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 8:29 am**

I think the Symbol on his chest was simply worn because of his ego. He wanted to see if the victims would recognise it.

Another thing about LB I have always thought very very unlikely is the idea that Zodiac parked his vehicle behind that of Bryan's. We know Zodiac walked down the embankment, behind a tree, came towards the couple and had Cecelia tie up Bryan, then he tied Cecelia, re-tied Bryan, then stabbed them, before walking back up to the road. That would mean that Zodiac would have had to have left his car in full view of any and all passing vehicles on a public road to be seen by all. This attack comes after the BRS incident in which Zodiac acknowledges that his car was seen and a description given as he writes: The man who told the police that my car was brown was a negro about 40-45 rather shabbly dressed. I was at this phone booth haveing some fun with the Vallejo cops when he was walking by. I highly doubt he'd have been there with his own car parked on the road. As Bryan got to the road after the incident, a ranger pulled up almost straight away which suggests the road was fairly well used.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 9:37 am**

Welsh Chappie wrote:The man who told the police that my car was brown was a negro about 40-45 rather shabbly dressed. I was at this phone booth haveing some fun with the Vallejo cops when he was walking by.

I doubt the truth of that statement. I wouldn't tell the cops the colour of my car, and that gentleman's never been found, despite an appeal for him to come forward (I believe).

As Bryan got to the road after the incident, a ranger pulled up almost straight away which suggests the road was fairly well used.

The ranger found him on that track having been summoned to the scene by radio - Bryan hadn't made it as far as the public road.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 10:26 am**

smithy wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:The man who told the police that my car was brown was a negro about 40-45 rather shabbly dressed. I was at this phone booth haveing some fun with the Vallejo cops when he was walking by.

I doubt the truth of that statement. I wouldn't tell the cops the colour of my car, and that gentleman's never been found, despite an appeal for him to come forward (I believe).
As Bryan got to the road after the incident, a ranger pulled up almost straight away which suggests the road was fairly well used.

The ranger found him on that track having been summoned to the scene by radio - Bryan hadn't made it as far as the public road.

I don't doubt the truth of the statement because Zodiac seems to have learned from his mistakes. In this phone call he doesn't hang up but simply lets the phone dangle. If appeals never found the man, maybe he was a homeless person. Zodiac said he was 'rather shabbly dressed'. (Again, I don't believe it just cause Zodiac says it, but it would make sense as to why appeals never found him)

Ok fair point, the ranger had been called and Bryan hadn't made it back to the public road. That make's no difference at all to the point I was making and that was, I highly doubt Zodiac would have parked his car behind Bryans on a public road for all to see.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 11:09 am**

Welsh Chappie wrote:....I highly doubt Zodiac would have parked his car behind Bryans on a public road for all to see.

I couldn't agree more.

I do believe their attacker toook the footpath north, hence seeing the doc and his son. The were prints found near this path...we just don't know if they continued on.

There are no mentions of prints leading to a car parked 20 feet to the rear of Bryan's. While I think he may have pulled in for a look-see, I don't think his car remained while he did his deed. What if someone else HAD pulled in while he was attacking them and saw the creepy guy in the hood? Wouldn't matter if it was the guy's car or his grandma's or borrowed from an auto-shop, ya know? They'd have him.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 12:20 pm**

Welsh Chappie wrote:I highly doubt Zodiac would have parked his car behind Bryans on a public road for all to see.

THAT point I should have said I wouldn't contest, because there were no footprints remarked upon in the reports, or mentioned by the highly reputable Hal Snook.
BUT if he had a car - and we can presume he did - probably - then, where DID he park it? How far away? Back where the girls saw that guy hanging around earlier on? That far away?
I'm thinking he would have wanted transport close by......
The crime scene couldn't be seen from where the Ghia was parked, after all.....

Hmmm. Unless it was a bright red ice-cream wagon he was driving, why would he not park it near the scene?
Because he was worried someone was driving that road who regularly memorised cars?
I dunno.
The girls saw a creepy guys car earlier on and couldn't say for shure what the model was, didn't know the plates, etc. etc. Hmmm. People.
I memorise a lot of cars, just in case....

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 12:52 pm**

smithy wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:I highly doubt Zodiac would have parked his car behind Bryans on a public road for all to see.

THAT point I should have said I wouldn't contest, because there were no footprints remarked upon in the reports, or mentioned by the highly reputable Hal Snook.
BUT if he had a car - and we can presume he did - probably - then, where DID he park it? How far away? Back where the girls saw that guy hanging around earlier on? That far away?
I'm thinking he would have wanted transport close by......
The crime scene couldn't be seen from where the Ghia was parked, after all.....

Hmmm. Unless it was a bright red ice-cream wagon he was driving, why would he not park it near the scene?
Because he was worried someone was driving that road who regularly memorised cars?
I dunno.
The girls saw a creepy guys car earlier on and couldn't say for shure what the model was, didn't know the plates, etc. etc. Hmmm. People.
I memorise a lot of cars, just in case....

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