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Posted: **Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:52 pm**

Thanks for the info Tom. I always use your site for the police reports. That's where I saw it, though I think it's still redacted on one page but it is not on another. Do you know if they ever talked to the couple the three girls saw in the parking lot, in a car with Arizona tags? They're mentioned but I never saw where they were interviewed and I would think they were.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:14 am**

TomVoigt wrote:Back in the day I intentionally didn't publish the page detailing the condoms etc, mainly because it had never been made public, but also because I was trying to get Hartnell as a source. Don't recall if I eventually published it. I do remember documentation that at least one condom had been used. Pretty obvious Hartnell and Shepard had sex at some point before the attack, although Zodiac would have needed to be awfully close to see them in the act. I doubt he did.

The report mentioned a sealed box of condoms.

You're saying there was another page of the report, separate of the other evidence, mentioning a used condom?

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:47 pm**

Found the police report where it mentions that and it says

One Fourex brand prophylactic box containing two prophylactics sealed

Not clear if that means the box was sealed or just the two condoms were sealed. The Fourex box Quicktrader posted say it contains three.

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Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:51 pm**

"One Fourex brand prophylactic box containing two prophylactics sealed"

Not that everyone does things typically, but in a typical incident report, the "sealed" would be after "box", and then a comma, if the box had been sealed.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:52 pm**

That is a big problem with a lot of these reports...you're left wondering what they meant. One of the first things they teach you in investigative report writing (nowadays anyway) is how to be clear.

I got a chuckle out of these from my textbook:

"When completely plastered, officers who volunteer will paint the locker room".

"Miami police kill a man with a machete".

"Three cars were reported stolen by the Los Angeles police yesterday".

"Police begin campaign to run down jaywalkers".

"Squad helps dog bite victim".
It's all in the wording.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:31 pm**

It's like they do these things on purpose to confuse us further.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:59 pm**

A box of "partially used" condoms is what it said in the report I have. Don't think I posted it.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:59 pm**

CuriousCat wrote:Thanks for the info Tom. I always use your site for the police reports. That's where I saw it, though I think it's still redacted on one page but it is not on another. Do you know if they ever talked to the couple the three girls saw in the parking lot, in a car with Arizona tags? They're mentioned but I never saw where they were interviewed and I would think they were.

Not that I know of.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:32 pm**

TomVoigt wrote:A box of "partially used" condoms is what it said in the report I have. Don't think I posted it.

I'm parsing hairs here and not trying to be argumentative, I'm just stubborn this way. "partially used" could just mean the box was open and one missing. Did they actually find a used one at the scene? It's most likely a moot point anyway unless Hartnell confirms they were his. But if he says they weren't his...

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:34 pm**

TomVoigt wrote:
CuriousCat wrote:Thanks for the info Tom. I always use your site for the police reports. That's where I saw it, though I think it's still redacted on one page but it is not on another. Do you know if they ever talked to the couple the three girls saw in the parking lot, in a car with Arizona tags? They're mentioned but I never saw where they were interviewed and I would think they were.

Not that I know of.

Interesting. The police knew their names and I'd have to go back and read the report but I think at least one of the three girls knew them. Surely they were interviewed but apparently what they said is being held back.

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