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Tahoe27 wrote:It appears so. I'm thinking they were in his car as it was written about at the time his car was impounded.

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Those items are not mentioned here, which is curious because they both mention the blanket and clothesline.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler ... play_media

But the police report says they were handed over by Ranger Dennis Land then locked in the police car and transported to the station. I recall Narlow being very upset they had gathered up the blanket and stuff before he got there because it destroyed the crime scene.

Anyway, the person who told me they belonged to Hartnell said Hartnell said they were his but didn't want the police to release the information because he had a girlfriend. Anyone familiar with that? I've never seen it anywhere else.

The blanket mentioned I think we can safely assume was the one Bryan and Cecelia brought with them. The clothesline of course Zodiac brought. I'm not sure about the "army jacket" but I believe it was Harnell's. I think he said something to Zodiac about his keys being in his jacket when Zodiac was wanting them.

The condoms and dirty joke book I'm not sure about though.

Quite easy to understand what the two had wanted to do..a person interested in Cecilia, e.g. from Riverside, certainly would have had problems with both, watching the scene as well as being recognized (hood).



QT

Quicktrader wrote:Quite easy to understand what the two had wanted to do..a person interested in Cecilia, e.g. from Riverside, certainly would have had problems with both, watching the scene as well as being recognized (hood)

QT

Yes, we can all assume that and probably be right, but it still doesn't show that it in fact belonged to Harntell. That they found a "box" is something that has made me wonder. Why wouldn't he, like every other male, just put some in his pocket?

Seems that it was only a package of three prophylactics and we don't know if they had been packed in aluminium foil during that time..probably not that big, probably would fit in his army jacket somewhere. The jacket btw most likely wasn't Zs as Z was seen by Cecilia in his costume already when approaching the scene (except the jacket was found somewhere else, e.g. behind the tree - that'd be different).

QT

Cecelia got a good look at him before he ever put the costume on. I'm pretty sure the jacket belonged to Hartnell, like I said, I believe he mentioned it, I only bring it up because it's one of the items listed. I'm not trying to say any of the items belonged to Zodiac (except the clothesline), just trying to establish fact. I've never seen any fact establishing the condoms or book belonged to Hartnell.

Hartnell just wanted to tell his girlfriend about what happened before word got out about the attack.

I think saying it's "Quite easy to understand what the two had wanted to do" isn't quite a fair statement. Might be what HE wanted to do.

It does appear (although P.D. reports can be misleading) the items were not in the car, which is what I always thought. Good catch, Curious.


"The vehicle was found to be locked and no signs of attempted entry were observed. The vehicle was then impounded and taken to the Lake Berryessa park headquarters where it was secured in a locked garage. Sgt. Kenneth Narlow then turned over to Reporting Officer the following items of evidence he stated he received from Park Ranger Dennis Land."

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I would, therefore, agree. While the items are listed together we can assume they are a part of the immediate crime scene, we cannot confirm. Seems Bryan had some guilty feelings, which probably accompanied his intentions, which leads me to believe they were his---a small box of two condoms was probably in the jacket...it is still an assumption (on our part) considering the way it is written.

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Seagull found a photo from the newspaper of the box of evidence. You can't see much, but it is still interesting: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1341&p=31052&hilit=condoms#p31052

Tahoe27 wrote:Hartnell just wanted to tell his girlfriend about what happened before word got out about the attack.

That's what I was told, but I've never seen Hartnell say that about the items and besides, I think it was a little late, his GF knew what was up. That's not really a detail news media would mention I'd think, that Hartnell had condoms and a dirty joke book in his possession. Not sure it was ever mentioned outside the police report, but I could see him being concerned about it.

I would, therefore, agree. While the items are listed together we can assume they are a part of the immediate crime scene, we cannot confirm. Seems Bryan had some guilty feelings, which probably accompanied his intentions, which leads me to believe they were his---a small box of two condoms was probably in the jacket...it is still an assumption (on our part) considering the way it is written.

Yeah, that everything was piled together, including the clothesline Zodiac brought, brings into question what belonged to the victims and what Zodiac left behind. I'm 99% certain the book and condoms were Hartnell's, but would like to know for certain as it would be interesting to learn Zodiac had left them. I kind of find the dirty joke book a bit odd. Did Hartnell think dirty jokes would set the mood? Personally I would have tried wine. "Liquor is quicker" as they say.

I believe his GF lived in Oregon. Figured it would hit the news.

Dirty joke book...odd for sure.

I've always found Hartnell a bit odd anyway.

Back in the day I intentionally didn't publish the page detailing the condoms etc, mainly because it had never been made public, but also because I was trying to get Hartnell as a source. Don't recall if I eventually published it. I do remember documentation that at least one condom had been used. Pretty obvious Hartnell and Shepard had sex at some point before the attack, although Zodiac would have needed to be awfully close to see them in the act. I doubt he did.